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Mastering >>both<< of these disciplines is the Monaco challenge.
When coupled with mechanical reliability, the combination is hard to beat;
witness the performances of Messrs. G. Hill and A. Senna.

It >>is<< a driver's circuit - no doubt about it.

Bruce.

seem to like it a lot.

I think that's probably more to do with him being Coulthard, rather than the
state of the track <g>

Nick, who still doesn't quite believe that DC has been in the best car
throughout most of his career (except for Ferrari's recent ***), yet
has never even challenged for the title.

Bruce.

Kinda like saying what's the point of NASCAR running at Daytona? It's only
another glorified f***ing roundabout...

Monaco stands for more than just a racetrack. It's a part of the history of
F1. It's a place that only the very best drivers can master. It's the one
track that people who don't watch F1 remember. It's one of the big three
races in the world. And however many faceless Malaysia or Indianapolis F1
tracks are built, there will still be a place for a true racetrack with some
character to remind us of a time when F1 was about more than just money.

Ironic you should say that about Monaco.

Jan.
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Well, you confuse the actual circuit/facilities etc (the bits which matter)
with all the PR bull****.

Monaco may have had it's place, but it's way overdue to be repllaced by
a circuit that actually allows overtaking, even a significantly faster
car can't get past

The fact that it's enjoyable to *drive* there doesn't mean it a good
*race* track, there are several back roads around where I live where I
often go for spin just for the hell of it as it's a very enjoyable piece
of road in a decent handling car, doesn't mean it's suitable for an F1
race, or any kind of race

Monaco is all about glitter and glamour and nothing else, has there been
an enjoyable race there in 20 years ? 30 years ?

F1 cars have devloped and it's no longer suitable for an F1 race

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

While I truly like F1, the fundamental problem I see is the fact that
the circuits they run offer few places to pass (sorry, "overtake")
which leads to the appearance that they are settling for 2nd or 3rd
etc. If tracks were built or run that had 3-4 legitimate passing
zones, then the racing would be a lotbetter and the drivers could
really "duel" for more than the infrequent 1/2 - 1 lap spectacles we
get 4 times a yr.

If there is a "true" problem with the series, I beleive that THIS is
it. Either force the tracks to increase the passing areas or they risk
losing their date.

Lawman

Well, in that case, lets kick all the tracks which don't allow similarly
paced cars to overtake each other. Due to the aerodynamic reliance of modern
F1 cars, the only possible places to overtake are long, long straights into
tight corners. It's gonna be a great season racing at
Malaysia (last corner)
Brazil (T1)
Silverstone (Stowe)
Monza (various)
Indianapolis (T1)

I didn't say that at all. But it is the only racetrack on the F1 calendar
which rewards mechanical grip, which is an oddity in itself, and very
interesting (or it was, until this new qualifying ***was brought in).

Well, I personally have found every single Monaco GP that I have seen to be
amazingly enjoyable, but then I am a petrolhead. If your idea of enjoyment
is driving heavy, ugly cars with outdated technology around in a circle 250
times, then NASCAR is all you need. By the way, have you ever been to a
Monaco GP? If you haven't, then I suggest you go. It will change your idea
of F1 and motorsport in general completely.

Go there, and you'll see how wrong you are.

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

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"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

This is a generation thing, I know, and I accept that.
Each generation has its favourite era, be it for movies, radio, music or
motor racing.
But there was a time when even different generations could delight in F1 and
understand each other's likes and dislikes because there was one thing in
common - it was a >SPORT<, run by the sportsmen for the sportsmen.
Spectators had to be trackside.

The problem (maybe the wrong word but you'll know what I'm getting at) is
that there is now a generation which has been brought up on only watching
sport on television - the vast majority have >NEVER< been to the venue
itself.
This is why modern motor racing, from F1 to rallying to tin-tops, is
tailored for television.

Therefore a constant difference of opinion will exist between those of us
who have seen F1 when it was run for the racers and on-site spectators and
those who have only ever seen the modern, made-for-television, ***.

Not that I classify you in either camp, Goy.
I know nothing about your background as a motor racing fan so would not be
so presumptive in that regard.

Regards,
Bruce.

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Qualifying was indeed mostly more exciting than the race. Although a
good director will switch to fights, and not stick to the (more
boring) front as much.
Perhaps just qualifying could be done, and deal out the points there.
;-)

Ruud van Gaal
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