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The State of Formula One

Nick

The State of Formula One

by Nick » Sat, 31 May 2003 23:44:33

Hehe, this is a big rant, but I don't care. You're thoughts are
appreciated...
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They made up new rules. I don't know what the bigtime F1 fans in here think
of them (please tell me!), but I absolutely hate them.

Single-lap qualifying, and especially that single-lap 'qualifying
qualifying' is absurd. There was no problem with the old qualifying setup
(in fact, I didn't think it could get any better than that). Those of you
who watched the Digital F1 service last year will know that it's not
confusing at all when the director knows what he's doing. Checking the
timesheets for purple times and switching to the cars which are on hot laps
isn't that difficult, and it worked a treat. The new system is just boring
and strange. What happens if it starts raining halfway through? Ferraris at
the back, Minardis at the front? That's an accident waiting to happen. What
if Minardi fuel their cars with about 5 laps of fuel in qualifying, when
everybody else is on 20? Every GP has a Minardi front row?

I'd sure be feeling great about my investment if I was Ferrari, McLaren or
Williams, knowing that the grid was decided on pure chance...

Qualifying with race fuel? Only one shot? We (well, I) want to see people
really going for pole at the death, like they used to. With 20 cars out on
track in the last few minutes of qualifying, all looking for that little bit
extra. Then being allowed to decide their strategy based on their grid
position. One bad lap on Saturday could ruin a drivers' whole weekend, so
there's no point really going for it. Better to get on the front couple of
rows than put it in the wall. How boring...

That wet tyre rule was abysmal. Luckily it was shown up early on and there
weren't any serious casualties. I couldn't believe it at the time it was
announced. Fortunately it has been rescinded.

The new points system rewards consistency rather than winning. Do we want a
situation where a 17 race season is won by a driver with just one win (as
happened with Richard Burns in the WRC)? That's much more unlikely with
10-6-4-3-2-1 (although it did happen in the WRC), than with
10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1. I'm all for extending points to 8th place, but the gaps
have to be kept the same, something like 12-8-6-5-4-3-2-1?. What's the point
in challenging for the lead when it's *** 8 points for an extra 2?
Might as well follow him home, play for the championship, be boring...

If they want to see some better racing, then get rid of the blue flags
(maybe not at a place like Monaco)! The leaders would bunch up, and the
midfielders could carry on fighting each other. Also, the cameras which are
incessantly pointed at the leader will catch some of the midfield scuffles
too.

I don't have a problem with Ferrari winning all the time, but I do have a
problem with the cameras being on them all the time. Last year I was able to
see some fantastic racing in the midfield, using the Digital F1 coverage.
It's all happening, they just aren't looking.

They remove the 2nd best track on the Grand Prix schedule because of some
politics, even though the underlying political philosophy of tobacco
sponsorship is flawed.

And now, to top it all off, they go to the best track on the calendar and
they change it to make it easier. Jeez, I thought F1 was just racing at IMS,
not taking advice from the IRL on how to ruin some great racing...

Nick, looking forward to the British GP at Rockinham oval with single-make
cars in F1 2004... ;-)

Doug Elliso

The State of Formula One

by Doug Elliso » Sat, 31 May 2003 23:58:29


A fair comment before the season started - but experience has shown that
basically - the new rules have changed things very little

Doug

Nick

The State of Formula One

by Nick » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:37:56


Unlike most people I decided to give the new rules a shot before having a
dig. These were my thoughts at the end of last year, and nothing has changed
them.

Nick.

Doug Elliso

The State of Formula One

by Doug Elliso » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 00:45:25




> > A fair comment before the season started - but experience has shown that
> > basically - the new rules have changed things very little

> Unlike most people I decided to give the new rules a shot before having a
> dig. These were my thoughts at the end of last year, and nothing has
changed
> them.

> Nick.

But little if any of what you described has happened.

Minardi are STILL tail end charlies, the grid is NOT decided on pure chance,
little has changed

Doug

Nick

The State of Formula One

by Nick » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 01:33:33


The recurring word throughout my post was 'boring'. Apparently, F1 last year
was boring, when I thought it was a damn good season if you look past P2.
This season, it really is boring. The only thing this season which isn't
boring is Jenson Button, and strangely enough ITV seem set on not showing
him at all. Maybe it's because Martin Brundle is best mates with David
Coulthard...

Jason Moy

The State of Formula One

by Jason Moy » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 05:30:11



I like the first round of qualifying as it stands now a lot.  I've
never really cared for the "you have an hour and 12 laps to go as fast
as possible" approach, since it inevitably leads to the same race
lineup week in and week out.  They can kill the 2nd round as far as I
am concerned tho, and the "race on qual fule" crap.

And yes, if it rains partway through, Minardis at the front, Ferrari
at the back.  If Michael Schumacher can't make clean passes to the
front, maybe he doesn't belong there to begin with.

Having someone besides Ferrari up front at the start has certainly
made the races more interesting so far.  First time I've actually felt
obliged to tune in to a live racecast.

Jason

Lawman_027

The State of Formula One

by Lawman_027 » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 05:57:36

Don't really see a problem here. In fact it has (IMO) improved the
Qual sessions. There is now a reason to watch the Q sessions, although
the 1st day Q thing IS absurd, a qual for the qual?? WTF? In reality,
did anyone think that a car not bearing a Ferrari, BMW or Mclaren logo
was going to take a pole last year? Without checking for myself, I'll
say it never happened and if it did, it was a one time deal. Now, you
have strategy being planned BEFORE the race even starts. If Jag or
Minardi or Toyota want to run a Q lap with 5laps of fuel
onboard...great. In about 3 laps they will pit and the whole field
will go by and they will never be heard from again. The top teams are
still the top teams no matter where they start and (for the most part)
will finish out front as well.

What chance? The low fuel chance?

The "pole at the death" (to the death?) was good admittedly. I can't
recall seeing 20 cars on the track all at once recently in that system
as the top teams had already secured there spots and were unlikely to
risk an encounter with a backmarker on a Q run. Now it is a pole to
the death, but one lap at a time. With the 2 day Q session, you know
based upon your Q starting order what the best times are and what you
need to beat. Addtionally, I want to see the best laps for Q day, not
ones ruined by a slower car that impedes a possible record run or
pole. One at a time allows the driver to determine where he starts.

Agreed, thank the heavens for this.

Race drivers want to WIN, not finish 2nd. I have never agreed with the
notion that drivers would SETTLE for a particular finish if a better
one was possible.

Interesting idea. Might be good.

Must be nice. I am stuck with the Speed Channel coverage which is
average. Top teams/drivers always get the tv time, though.

Didn't mean to ***all over your post, so please don't take it that
way. Just expressing a different opinion on some good points.

Lawman

spar

The State of Formula One

by spar » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 05:57:57

The thing I don't like about the one lap qualifying is that it seems to
punish the person that actually pays the big bucks to attend a race.
Although I haven't attended a Grand Prix under the new rules, one of the
best parts to watch was qualifying because that was the only time you really
saw anyone driving at their limits and the intensity built as the session
progressed. Now there must be a lot of dead time between cars (when viewing
from a fixed point on the circuit) and you never know who has how much fuel,
who's saving the tires etc. I would think they would want to give paying
spectators as much great action as possible instead of spending much time
viewing the big screen.

Spark

Bruce Kennewel

The State of Formula One

by Bruce Kennewel » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 06:59:05

Formula One, as we knew it, contracted cancer in 1968 with the introduction
of commercial advertising.
It dropped into a coma in the 1990's when what started out in the 1900's as
a sport became nothing more than pap TV entertainment for the masses and
finally died, coincidentally,  with the passing of Ken Tyrrell.

However, F1's ghost can be seen in the form of "retro" events such as - but
certainly NOT limited to - the Goodwood Revival and its ilk.

Bruce
(85 years old....according to legend!  :) )

Goy Larse

The State of Formula One

by Goy Larse » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 07:23:10


> Formula One, as we knew it, contracted cancer in 1968 with the introduction
> of commercial advertising.
> It dropped into a coma in the 1990's when what started out in the 1900's as
> a sport became nothing more than pap TV entertainment for the masses and
> finally died, coincidentally,  with the passing of Ken Tyrrell.

> However, F1's ghost can be seen in the form of "retro" events such as - but
> certainly NOT limited to - the Goodwood Revival and its ilk.

> Bruce
> (85 years old....according to legend!  :) )

"The Bruce" is most def back...:-)..anyone seen Bart around lately ?

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
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Iain Mackenzi

The State of Formula One

by Iain Mackenzi » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:15:19

But that hasn't happened!
Ferrari has won pole at Australia, Brazil, San Marino, Spain and Austria.
They only missed out in Malaysia, and are likely to win pole today!
Also, the Minardis have invariably been at the back.
Iain

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Iain Mackenzi

The State of Formula One

by Iain Mackenzi » Sun, 01 Jun 2003 17:22:39

The fuel load aspect of the new qualifying is over-rated.  In practice it
has made little difference as no team has gone for a wacky pit-stop strategy
to gain a massive hike up the grid.
In most races the teams have gone for their usual 2 or 3 stop strategy and
the performance differences between the cars still takes the best to the
front.

Happens all the time.  Why risk going off (and losing everything) trying for
a win when you have the championship in the bag in 2nd or 3rd place.
Drivers of course do want to win, but they most want to win the championship
rather than individual racces.

Iain

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Goy Larse

The State of Formula One

by Goy Larse » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 02:43:51


> > Having someone besides Ferrari up front at the start has certainly
> > made the races more interesting so far.  First time I've actually felt
> > obliged to tune in to a live racecast.

> But that hasn't happened!
> Ferrari has won pole at Australia, Brazil, San Marino, Spain and Austria.
> They only missed out in Malaysia, and are likely to win pole today!
> Also, the Minardis have invariably been at the back.

While the latter is certainly true today, bar Jenson Button who had to
sit out the qual, the former isn't and had it been any other track it
might have made for an interesting race, now it will be a parade with
car in front with another color besides red

For the life of me I can't understand the reasoning for keeping Monaco
in there when there are much better tracks who would rightly be much
more deserving of an F1 race, other than the monetary issue I mean, all
the rich poseurs gather at Monaco this time of the year and we don't
dare upset the money people now do we....

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
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Iain Mackenzi

The State of Formula One

by Iain Mackenzi » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 03:06:43

You hit it on the head - it's the money. Monaco is where all the big sponsor
cheeses go to ponce around each year.  For me it's the most boring race of
the year - strange that the drivers seem to like it a lot.  Scandalous when
you think that Spa has gone and A1 will next year.
Iain

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Goy Larse

The State of Formula One

by Goy Larse » Mon, 02 Jun 2003 03:47:12


> You hit it on the head - it's the money. Monaco is where all the big sponsor
> cheeses go to ponce around each year.  For me it's the most boring race of
> the year - strange that the drivers seem to like it a lot.  Scandalous when
> you think that Spa has gone and A1 will next year.

"Formula One, as we knew it, contracted cancer in 1968 with the
introduction
of commercial advertising."

--Bruce Kennewell--

:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy
"goyl at nettx dot no"

http://www.theuspits.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--


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