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by **David G Fishe** » Thu, 22 Jul 2004 06:39:07

> >So GTR is great, but F1C isn't even though GTR is just a sports car mod
of
> >F1C? .

> If F1C fixed a few things I'm sure I'd be enjoying it as much as when
> it came out. Aside from the tracks which I don't need to harp on
> again, the tire and aero models are silly. It's easier to control a
> slide at high speed than at low speed since there's no tire flex
> whatsoever and the wings don't lose much effectiveness when they're
> not pointing in the same direction as the car. The tire model pretty
> much speaks for itself when you look at the ridiculous amount of
> camber that most people are using since there's no grip or wear
> penalty from running the inside edges too hot.

I've tried those setups with too much camber, and I've tried adding a lot of
camber to my own setups. There was no gain, and instead the tires heated
unevenly, and I ended up having less grip and slower lap times.

I use stiff suspension settings because I go faster, the car handles better,
and is more stable.

With the camber and suspension settings you mention, I think it's just
*another* case of myths being passed on as facts in the sim community. If I
had a dime........

It wouldn't surprise me though that some people can use unrealistic settings
and still be quick (are they quick and consistent too?) because there hasn't
been a sim made yet where that hasn't happened.

--
David G Fisher

by **Internet Use** » Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:17:19

> To say N1,2,3,4,99,02,03 and Legends are distinctly individual products is
> an extreme stretch of the imagination. Its more like N1and N4 with graphics
> or minor updates to the original respective game engines for all the rest.
> I hear ya though. It was more likely the suits who made those decisions not
> Kaemmer

> Mitch

And I'd make the argument that Racing Legends is no more distinct from
World Sports Cars, than N1 is from N03. Knowledge was accumulated by
both parties (Kaemmer & the Wests) and applied to succeeding products.
The difference being that Kaemmer was able to get a product to market
while the Wests have not.

Yes the suits made "those decisions", but Kaemmer was able to live
within the established boundaries while getting a product to market.
It's a widely held belief in this forum and others, that the West
brothers are not capable of dealing with reality. Thereby dooming all
three of their projects.

If you're backing a project, who are you going to put your money on?
The man with a successful past, who's been able to secure financing and
a wealthy investor? Or two brothers with three failed projects, no
investor, and who have resorted to selling teddy bears and their house
to keep their project afloat? (Let's not even bring up the cat.)

by **Mitch_** » Thu, 22 Jul 2004 07:53:36

You and Jason are both right> I meandered off the subject. As you can tell
Im still PO'd about N3 :-)

Mitch

> And I'd make the argument that Racing Legends is no more distinct from
> World Sports Cars, than N1 is from N03. Knowledge was accumulated by
> both parties (Kaemmer & the Wests) and applied to succeeding products.
> The difference being that Kaemmer was able to get a product to market
> while the Wests have not.

> Yes the suits made "those decisions", but Kaemmer was able to live
> within the established boundaries while getting a product to market.
> It's a widely held belief in this forum and others, that the West
> brothers are not capable of dealing with reality. Thereby dooming all
> three of their projects.

> If you're backing a project, who are you going to put your money on?
> The man with a successful past, who's been able to secure financing and
> a wealthy investor? Or two brothers with three failed projects, no
> investor, and who have resorted to selling teddy bears and their house
> to keep their project afloat? (Let's not even bring up the cat.)

by **Dave Henri** » Thu, 22 Jul 2004 13:30:59

Doug is indeed a part of SBDT and the main man behind the physics of
GTR. He advised on F1c or collaborated with ISI. So the physics are
from ISI via input from SBDT's Arnao. Doug was instrumental in the early
testing of GPL wasn't he?
GTR's driving physics have evolved at least twice since the press demo was
released. I would be mildly suprised if any :08 or :09 laps happen right
away at Spa when they finally do release it..
Further, SBDT is using v1.0 of ISI's Motor engine(physics)<with their
own modifications to that engine> and I would be very very suprised if ISI
isn't up to v2 by the time they release their own Rfactor sim.

As usual I whipped this post out...I hope I haven't scrambled any of the
actual names of the engines or products.

dh

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So that's what Kaemmer is up to...

So that's what Kaemmer is up to...

So that's what Kaemmer is up to...

So that's what Kaemmer is up to...

So that's what Kaemmer is up to...