rec.autos.simulators

by **Max Mu** » Tue, 22 Nov 1994 09:33:54

I can't seem to get SVGA goin - there is no menu option - none on the install
prog, I've got a 486DX2/66 with a 15" SVGA colour monitor. All it says on the
Installation card is:

"Local bus video with a SVGA colour mmonitor, combined with sound enhancement
(this would be a SB16? I spose?) card will really bring the complete Indycar
experience to life in you home."

This is exactly what it says (except for the bracketed bit).
And what makes me think its still VGA is that My monitor says STD VGA on the
LCD display when I'm racing - HELP!!!!!

Thanx in advance

Mike, Max's son

P.S please no mail saying "Sorry can't help" ;)

by **Jeremy Mitche** » Tue, 22 Nov 1994 10:52:14

> I can't seem to get SVGA goin - there is no menu option - none on the install
> prog, I've got a 486DX2/66 with a 15" SVGA colour monitor. All it says on the
> Installation card is:

AS far as I know, Indycar RAcing is only in VGA. If you want SVGA, you'll
have to go and get NASCAR Racing (which I think has just been released)

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by **NYTSH..** » Tue, 22 Nov 1994 16:19:40

> And what makes me think its still VGA is that My monitor says STD VGA
>on the LCD display when I'm racing - HELP!!!!!
Mike:
When you load the game type "nascar -h" instead of just "nascar." That
loads the game svga...

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by **Roger Hi** » Sat, 26 Nov 1994 23:27:54

>I can't seem to get SVGA goin - there is no menu option - none on the install
>prog, I've got a 486DX2/66 with a 15" SVGA colour monitor. All it says on the
>Installation card is:

>"Local bus video with a SVGA colour mmonitor, combined with sound enhancement
>(this would be a SB16? I spose?) card will really bring the complete Indycar
>experience to life in you home."

>This is exactly what it says (except for the bracketed bit).
>And what makes me think its still VGA is that My monitor says STD VGA on the
>LCD display when I'm racing - HELP!!!!!

>Thanx in advance

> Mike, Max's son

>P.S please no mail saying "Sorry can't help" ;)

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by **Joe Murp** » Mon, 28 Nov 1994 01:19:03

Indycar does not support SVGA, only standard VGA 320x200.

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by **Ralf Southa** » Wed, 30 Nov 1994 17:24:13

>Subject: Re: I can't get SVGA mode goin on Indycar Racing, Only VGA - HELP!
>Date: 25 Nov 1994 14:27:54 GMT

>>I can't seem to get SVGA goin - there is no menu option - none on the install
>>prog, I've got a 486DX2/66 with a 15" SVGA colour monitor. All it says on the
>>Installation card is:

>>"Local bus video with a SVGA colour mmonitor, combined with sound enhancement
>>(this would be a SB16? I spose?) card will really bring the complete Indycar
>>experience to life in you home."

>>This is exactly what it says (except for the bracketed bit).
>>And what makes me think its still VGA is that My monitor says STD VGA on the
>>LCD display when I'm racing - HELP!!!!!

Indeed, an SVGA monitor will help the framerate immensely in IndyCar, but
you're still not going to get 640x480 resolution. Having an SVGA monitor does
not automatically give you a higher resolution in a VGA game.

To launch an analogy:

SVGA monitor helps the VGA graphics in IndyCar Racing
as
64-bit graphics helps SVGA graphics in NASCAR Racing.

Ralf Southard

by **Peter Burk** » Thu, 01 Dec 1994 03:17:23

Subject: Re: I can't get SVGA mode goin on Indycar Racing, Only VGA -
HELP!

Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 08:24:13 GMT

writes:

Ralf - no! The type of monitor you use means NOTHING regarding
the framerates in any game. Monitors can either display a
certain resolution at a certain refresh rate (usually 60hz for any
standard VGA mode).

Myabe you meant to say - SVGA monitor indicates decent graphics
card and therefore better graphics performance for Indycar. But even
that may not be true in all cases, as there are a few 32-bit video
cards that essentially suck in the VGA and MCGA modes most games
run in. NASCAR just needs all the speed you can buy - if you have
the money, take a look at Nubmer 9's new 128-bit graphics card ;-)

Peter

by **Greg Cis** » Fri, 02 Dec 1994 01:43:33

> >Subject: Re: I can't get SVGA mode goin on Indycar Racing, Only VGA - HELP!
> >Date: 25 Nov 1994 14:27:54 GMT

> >>I can't seem to get SVGA goin - there is no menu option - none on the install
> >>prog, I've got a 486DX2/66 with a 15" SVGA colour monitor. All it says on the
> >>Installation card is:

INDYCAR is not a SVGA game. (err... Simulation. EXCUSE ME!!!)

Prabably because most NEWER systems have SVGA monitors. THe important thing
though is not the monitor. It is the Local Bus... A fast monitor at 1024x768
does not guarentee a faster monitor at 320x200. VGA DOS apps are much
different than SVGA VESA apps.

VGA is the best you will get from INDYCAR Racing.

How exactly will this be done?

True...

Which might not be much... You are comparing a DOS VGA application, to
a SVGA VESA application. Completely different animals.

> Ralf Southard

by **Marcos Luis Ivan Balcel** » Fri, 02 Dec 1994 14:19:59

Peter Burke writes:
> Subject: Re: I can't get SVGA mode goin on Indycar Racing, Only VGA -
> HELP!

> Date: Tue, 29 Nov 1994 08:24:13 GMT

> writes:

> >>>This is exactly what it says (except for the bracketed bit).
> >>>And what makes me think its still VGA is that My monitor says STD VGA
> on the
> >>>LCD display when I'm racing - HELP!!!!!

> >Indeed, an SVGA monitor will help the framerate immensely in IndyCar, but
> >you're still not going to get 640x480 resolution. Having an SVGA
> monitor does
> >not automatically give you a higher resolution in a VGA game.

> >To launch an analogy:

> >SVGA monitor helps the VGA graphics in IndyCar Racing
> >as
> >64-bit graphics helps SVGA graphics in NASCAR Racing.

> Ralf - no! The type of monitor you use means NOTHING regarding
> the framerates in any game. Monitors can either display a
> certain resolution at a certain refresh rate (usually 60hz for any
> standard VGA mode).

> Myabe you meant to say - SVGA monitor indicates decent graphics
> card and therefore better graphics performance for Indycar. But even
> that may not be true in all cases, as there are a few 32-bit video
> cards that essentially suck in the VGA and MCGA modes most games
> run in. NASCAR just needs all the speed you can buy - if you have
> the money, take a look at Nubmer 9's new 128-bit graphics card ;-)

> Peter

Accually, a 128-bit graphics card will not get you a better
frame rate for Nascar. 128-bit refers to the communication
path between the graphics board accelerator and the graphics
board video memory. Since Nascar does not use the graphics
accelorator on any video boards then it won't help at all.
Only programs (like Windows and AutoCad) which use a video
driver can take advantage of a graphics accelorator card.

In reality, many graphics accelator video card on the market
will slow down the DOS performance graphics.

The best performance that you can get for DOS games like Nascar
is 32-bit bus like PCI or VESA. This will get you improved
frame rate over ISA (16-bit) video card.

- Marcos
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by **Saba** » Sat, 03 Dec 1994 17:17:04

>>Indeed, an SVGA monitor will help the framerate immensely in IndyCar, but
>>you're still not going to get 640x480 resolution. Having an SVGA
>monitor does
>>not automatically give you a higher resolution in a VGA game.

>>To launch an analogy:

>>SVGA monitor helps the VGA graphics in IndyCar Racing
>>as
>>64-bit graphics helps SVGA graphics in NASCAR Racing.
>Ralf - no! The type of monitor you use means NOTHING regarding
>the framerates in any game. Monitors can either display a
>certain resolution at a certain refresh rate (usually 60hz for any
>standard VGA mode).
>Myabe you meant to say - SVGA monitor indicates decent graphics
>card and therefore better graphics performance for Indycar. But even
>that may not be true in all cases, as there are a few 32-bit video
>cards that essentially suck in the VGA and MCGA modes most games
>run in. NASCAR just needs all the speed you can buy - if you have
>the money, take a look at Nubmer 9's new 128-bit graphics card ;-)
>Peter

At least Peter knew what I meant. Comes from knowing the way I think I guess.
Yes, it is the video card to resolution analogy I was trying to convey.

BTW, I've seen ATI's 128-bit card, WOW. Anybody want my 64-bit card? :)

Ralf

by **Saba** » Sat, 03 Dec 1994 17:20:16

>> To launch an analogy:

>> SVGA monitor helps the VGA graphics in IndyCar Racing
>> as
>> 64-bit graphics helps SVGA graphics in NASCAR Racing.
>Which might not be much... You are comparing a DOS VGA application, to
>a SVGA VESA application. Completely different animals.

I guess I'd better get out the geeky technical manual and be more specific on
what I'm trying to say. SImple layman examples aren't fairing so well.

Ralf

by **Saba** » Sat, 03 Dec 1994 17:23:09

Now THIS is valuable information. Thanks Marcos!

But please note that there IS a difference between even similar cards. Ya
gotta shop around, but the card you use WILL be key to NASCAR performance.

Ralf

by **Greg Cis** » Sun, 04 Dec 1994 03:25:45

True for DOS VGA apps... For DOS SVGA/VESA apps? Which may or may not
use the graphics accelerator? I'm don't know.

Very true. CPU speed is also a LARGE consideration. Notice that the
monitor type (SVGA or VGA) is not in the equasion.

by **Mark AuBuch** » Sun, 04 Dec 1994 05:41:51

see the newest Computer *** World for an excellent overview
of video cards in DOS applications (games!) real number
comparisons.