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I couldn't agree more.

I'm wondering the same thing you are...

Mika, I've got a T-1 and I have the same problems.  It's just too
"jumpy", I finally got it set at Zone 100%, Steering lock of 20 and
Reduce to 65%.  No matter what I did, I either had a car that on the
long straights was twitchy at every move, or it wouldn't make the
corners with any sense of decency at all.  

With the steering help on, I can't help but feel like I just turn the
wheel, and eventually, the car will come to the corner, and the car
will turn.  It's almost as bad as Blue Angels simulation, where you
just "go thru the motions"...

So... I can either drive a car that is stable and get frustrated
thinking I'm driving something with training wheels, OR, I can spin
out everytime I hit a curbing in the least little bit.  

I am used to taking slightly different lines thru the hairpin areas of
Brazil, and with steering help ON, I can't do that at all.  with it
off, it's Wednesday before I even arrive in that area of the track.
My race car becomes a lawn mower more than anything else.

anyone got any suggestions?

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I'm going through the same thing right now.  Try loading the default
T2.con on the CD (in util I think) set pedal/brake sensitivity
to 0%, turn opposite lock help on and MAKE yourself race a full
season.  I'm finding the max lock/reduce/sens a pretty stable
combination so my steering isn't too twitchy but I find my passing
is improving since I'm not 'riding the steering help rails'
anymore.  It takes time to get used to running with steering help
off but I'm having a lot more fun (though I'm sure not winning much
yet :)

And above all...have fun!

warlock

I was just wondering that there is no reason to play gp2 with joystick
helps off (steering help, opposition lock help doesn't matter). Last
weekend I took that steering help off and tryed to play the game, but it
just pisses me off. Of course it is more realistic, but there is
something wrong on the steering, coz if your front wheel goes to a gerb
in a high speed corner the car spins immediately. Are the
simulations ot the kerbs of the game made so "high" that you just cant
hit them without spinning. This spinning happens also on low speed
corners, so because of this I made a time 1:24:xxx on Monza, but with
steering help on I managed to do 1:21:9xx time. IT WOULD BE MUCH BETTER TO
DRIVE WITH A STEERING WHEEL, so has anyone managed to find a good balance
with the game, without using steering help. While driving, I used that
"Sensitive zone" 100%,  "Steering angle" 10  and "Reduce with speed" 65%.
I think i'll go back to the steering help on and make good times and stay
in the track (while racing) THAN just do a one "medium" lap and spin off.

Mika Melonen

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This depends greatly on where you are and how the car is set up.  For
instance there are many corners where you can use huge amounts of
kerbing on the outside (Second Lesmo, Renault, Estoril Bend, Copse).
It does seem that all the corners I`ve listed are quick ones.  There
are also corners such as Ascari, Chicane 1(Hockenheim) and practically
anywhere at Jerez where you can use lots of kerbing at the apex.  Its
just a matter of figuring how much you can get away with using.

I too found GP2 incredibaly (sp?) difficult when I first switched off
steering help, but IMHO it is much more rewading to drive without it.
From experience and other peoples comments it seems that you can`t use
as much oversteer with SH off, so you could try adding more rear wing,
or softening the rear suspension (Generally changing the overall
balance of your set up).

I use all L.S. zones 75%, R.W.S. 65%, Lock 14 deg.  With these
settings I can run 1m20.x(Barcelona),1m15.x(Magny
Cours),1m23.x(Silverstone) using a joystick.  I hope this helps you
some.

Mark
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"..every lap I think `Oh bollocks!
This is dreadful..`" Damon Hill
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Some things I have learned the hard way (without SH):

Don't do curbs while steering. Steering while on curbs will
effectively send you into the grass, and you'll be lucky if you're not
at Monte-Carlo. Try to control your speed so that you only clip it
with less than half a wheel, or enter them with your steering is
almost neutral. Computer cars drive with SH, so that's no problem for
them.

In slippery and inclined surfaces (Interlagos, Aida) never brake and
steer at the same time. I don't think it's my car setup, as I am using
record-breaking setups taken from various GP2 sites on the Web. Set
your speed right before you enter the corner, from my experience the
slightest touch of brakes inside Estoril's hairpin or Aida's Hobbs
Corner for instance with make you spin in the middle of the track.
Don't accelerate much also, results will be the same as with braking.
I found out that my T2 pedals really work on only about 30 degrees of
'deflection', i.e. more pressure and wheels lock or I am at full
throttle (I attribute this to my CH gamecard and my AWE32 game port,
but I can't find a Thrustmaster ACM gamecard where I live).

One thing that made me gain a couple of seconds on every track is when
I realized that high values in Steering Lock mean trouble. I thought
35 degrees would allow me to steer better, but it only resulted in
terrible underspin. After much experimenting I found out that my car
steers the best with 11 deg. of steering lock. Enough steering to get
into any hairpin, no control input induced understeering.

Sorry if any of this sounds like bullshit, I have made some posts for
hints but never saw any,  (I know my ISP or the ones before him lose a
_lot_ of posts, like I never saw the original one), as well as I
couldn't find a non-Microprose GP2 FAQ or hintsheet. So pls take all
of the above FWIW. I'd be happy to know myself what I am doing wrong.

Sincerely, Karim

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