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Had some really intense racing with the AI too. Racing at those speeds with
the AI car right next to you was fantastic.

Not sure what some of you are pissing about to be honest. For a demo of a
product at only 70% completion, I was extremely impressed. N2003 seems like
a bore in comparison. If it had N2003's net code, I'd forget about N2003
alltogether until a modern F1 mod come out for it (fantasy I'm guessing).

David G Fisher

Go back to JPM trolling on rasf1, David.

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Salvie

Funny you should say that; it's the exact same thing I was thinking when I
tried it out.  Actually, It wasn't as bad as I expected it to be; it just
seemed like something from out of the distant past.  Though some (DGF...
;-)) don't seem to think so, the genre moved beyond this level years ago.
Still, it stayed on my HD for an hour or so, which is longer than the last
Ubisoft F1 demo!

I stand corrected.

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None of them can honestly say that:

N2003 has better looking graphics

N2003 runs faster with a 23 car field.

N2003 has a better damage model.

N2003 has a better track surface (smooth as glass still).

That you CAN'T race nose to tail and side by side with the AI at 220+mph. If
they say that I can't, then I'll gladly post a replay to prove them wrong.

Who's going to embarrass themselves first and try to answer "N2003" to any
of those questions?

So what's so controverial about what I said? Of course when I said the cars
in GPL were sliding way too much, that was controversial too (until about a
year ago).

Apparently they can't be bothered to, or are too stupid, to get their wheel
set up correctly and then experiment with the various controller options
(also, turn off traction control) until they get the car to feel and handle
smoothly and realistically. Standard r.a.s. stuff. If they can't be bothered
or are too dumb, then they should just say, "I'm too lazy or dumb to set up
my wheel correctly, so I have no opinion on the sim".

If the game won't let them set up their wheel correctly because it's a demo
that represents the product at just 70% completion, then they should just
say, "The demo won't let me set up my wheel correctly, so I can't have an
opinion on the sim".

Unfortunately, they'd rather continue the years long r.a.s. tradition of
putting the need to give a negative opinion ahead of all else. Yes, the car
does feel excellent once you find the right settings. It behaves like a real
car does. N2003 sure as hell does NOT feel make me feel like I'm driving a
real car any more than this sim does. Maybe I'm just not blown away with
N2003 (but still fell it's excellent). Without practicing N2003 at Pocono
for even one minute since last season's second RASCAR race, I qualified 4th
last weekend after our practice session. It felt like a game to me, not like
I was in a real car. They both feel like games to me. One is definitely more
fun though.

David G Fisher

But then, I'm not as ***as some about physics and multiplayer capability
and in-game music - which can always be turned off.
My criteria is based around the age-old question: "Am I having fun"?
If I answer "Yes", then that'll do me.

Bruce.

"We need to make sure you're not a gloater"
"'Can we have a gloat', they say"

Kinda like your "years long r.a.s. tradition of putting the need to
give a negative opinion" of r.a.s. regulars - OF WHICH YOU ARE ONE.
You're so frickin predictable.  You get me to bite because that's the
kind of guy I am - my problem.  I just can't stand condescending,
arrogant folks who feel that their "opinion" is more valuable than
their peers.  And that is, IMO, what you are.

Blah, blah, blah.  When you've driven an IRL car and a Cup car then
I'll take what you say seriously.  All sims require a "suspension of
disbelief", and if N2003 does not make you feel like you're driving a
car, the criteria that you require for this to happen is obviously
different from many (most?) sim-heads.  Therefore your (minority?)
verdicts will be incompatible with a lot of people here.  And that is
exactly the case as we see time and again.  You're not any more clever
or canny because what works for most doesn't for you - you're just
different.  And it manifests itself in the worst possible way.

[sarcasm]
I take it all back.  You're my hero.  How do you do it?  Can you teach
me o great one?  Pleeease?
[/sarcasm]

Well there's a breakthrough!  Hey!  Cheapseats!  These things ARE
games!!!

Mark

So why don't you challenge those people directly instead of trolling the
group or people who do try to give an honest account from their point of
view?

NR2003 looks a lot better in 800x600x32 than does this game, IMO. I've got a
gut feeling the "poly count" for the track is quite a bit higher as well.
But one can't compare a full game against something that's 70% completed, so
that's like saying a car looks better fully assembled.

I've not found how to display framerate in the demo, but, on that
resolution, NR2003 runs smoothly (40fps+) with 43 cars on track, 24 visible
and everything on but the in-cockpit shadows.

You should have said "more realistic"... <g>

I consider the NR2003 damage model *better* because a good knock will make
the handling go away a lot more than it does in this demo. I should have
knocked off the RF corner in T3 on some occasions, but instead there
appeared some wheel wobble and the car picked up a slight push.

Hmmm... hard to tell really, but NR2003 communicates what surface there is
better to the driver.

Like I said... can't comment.

The only embarrasment is to have replied to a troll post.

Hehehe... you can't let that go, can you? -In the context of the time, that
was not a big issue. Nowadays it's a different story. Let's not forget it
was GPL which allowed our tastes in simming to be refined, though.

Ok, you have a point there... but, again, why don't you challenge *them*
directly. It's only two or three guys...

Labouring the point a little, aren't we?

David, most RAS posters are actually smart enough to spot these *elements* a
mile away. No need to go on and on and on and.... <g>

Amazing how fluently and easily you'r able to contradict yourself, David.
<VBG>

Seriously, you'd make a decent simmer if you applied yourself a little more,
but if you're happy to stay a gamer, then I'm happy too.

Jan.
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-Will

BTW: where'd you finish at Pocono?

Jan.
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