rec.autos.simulators

2003 F1 Sporting Regulations 19-03-2003
150) If a car stops during the race (except under Article 142c) and d), it
must be removed from the track as quickly as possible so that its presence
does not constitute a danger or hinder other competitors. If the driver is
unable to drive the car from a dangerous position, it shall be the duty of
the marshals to assist him. If any such assistance results in the engine
starting and the driver rejoining the race, the car will be excluded from
the results of the race.

Pro-Ferrari argument:

Michael Schumacher was unable to drive the car from a dangerous position, so
the marshals assisted him. This assistance did not result in the engine
starting, as it was already running, so therefore the car should not be
excluded from the race.

Anti-Ferrari argument:

The car stopped during the race, and therefore must be removed from the
track as quickly as possible (S1). If THE driver (specific, refers to the
previous sentence) is unable to drive THE car (specific) from a dangerous
position, the marshals should assist him (to remove the car from the track
as quickly as possible - implied from the first sentence). If any such
assistance results in the engine starting (negative) and the driver
rejoining the race (from the previous sentence, the marshalls should ONLY be
assisting the REMOVAL of the car from the track), the car should be
excluded.

As can be seen, the pro-Ferrari argument is a straight reading of the rules,
whereas the anti-Ferrari argument relies on some specific interpretation of
each and every word in the rule. It's pretty heavy, but legal documents
always are.

Apparent flaw in the Anti-Ferrari argument:

Basically, the use of 'the' in the second sentence implies that the sentence
refers to the same car as in the first sentence, which implies that it is
concerned with the driver of the car being able to drive the car from a
dangerous position WITH THE ONLY AIM OF removing it from the track as
quickly as possible, NOT rejoining the race. Of course, this begs the
question 'If the driver can move the car from a dangerous position under his
own power, then why is the driver unable to rejoin the race under his own
power?'. To me, this severs the implicit connection between the first two
sentences, meaning that the marshalls ARE allowed to assist the car to do
something other than remove it from the track, such as assist it to rejoin
the race. If the marshalls ARE allowed to assist a car to rejoin the race,
then the third sentence only excludes a car from the race IF AND ONLY IF the
marshalls assistance results in the restarting of the engine, which did not
occur.

Well, that's my interpretation of the rule, anyway.

Any other driver would have abandoned their car and sacrificed a few WC
points..MS, saw there was nothing to gain from walking away, so he carried
on. That's the difference. Hakkinen sobs behind trees...Schumacher ploughs
on regardless.

How about  the ITV ruling that say's commentators "MUST always be anti -MS
at all times and no matter what the circumstances". ? Martin Brundle is a
disgrace. His constant slagging off of one of the most successful F1 drivers
of all time is as ridiculous as his support for the bozo, Coulthard.

   Cart used to have such rules.  THen they figured if they can get a car
restarted and moving without harming the race...then go for it.
My feeling is F1 should mandate a sealed onboard starting system(so teams
can't mess with it) and let a driver get restarted if he stalls.  If the
car is beached, and a crane is required then end his day.  But if all he
needs is a push to get clear, then by all means Heave Ho Boys!
(Except in Japan of course)

dave henrie

To be fair, didn't mika downshift to 1st, thus spinning himself, and was
unable to keep from losing the engine...? had he kept it but been beached
like shuey today, who's to know whether he would have waited for a push...

it was also a much more critical point in the season/championship race, so i
fail further to see the relevance of your mika jibe.

No jibe..just pointing out why MS is still top of the tree.
Raikonen looks good, though. Hopefully he will combine Mika's talent with MS
strength of character.
Mika always gave up too quickly.

Were now going to have marshalls deciding races depending on who gets stuck.

--

Steve

"In the old days, the Irish used to blow up our pubs, now they refit them tastefully"

The Pub Landlord.

Ever heard of rec.autos.sports.f1 ??

Take this ***to the correct newsgroups please!

OR atleast have the courtesy to mark it 'Off Topic' in the header!

Arrgghh!!

On to more important and interesting things.

Congrats RS!!!

Beat your teammate in qualifying AGAIN despite being on the heavier fuel
load (again). That's 5 out of 6, and 10 out of the last 15 (with two poles
to JPM's 0). Wow. I guess it's RS who is, "the fastest man over one lap" and
not JPM.

Second now in wins over the past three seasons behind MS. JPM has just two.
Expanded his points lead over JPM for this season.

As teammates, RS has more points overall. A better qualifying record. Better
overall race lap times. A lot more wins, and doesn't run into people nearly
as often.

People said after season one, and even season two, that all JPM needed was
more time in F1. Sorry, he's falling further behind RS, not getting faster.
He's a million miles away from the silly predictions that he would destroy
RS.

Time for Williams to look for a new teammate for RS.

David Michael Ralf Schumacher Fisher

Don't forget that one of the people helping MS was NOT a marshal...

--

Steve

"In the old days, the Irish used to blow up our pubs, now they refit them tastefully"

The Pub Landlord.

Jason

JPM runs down MS, challenges on the outside and passes in a move that can't
be faulted (MS tries to stave off JPM but bungles it). ---> "Whoa!! -Did you
see that?!"

RS has better start courtesy of clean side of the track to claim 2nd and
finishes 1st after KM's egine expires. ---> <yawn>

Jan.
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