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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:22:46


KR was on a much lighter fuel load which enabled him to open up that lead,
and RS cut it in half in just the last handful of laps before his pit stop.

****JPM followed RB for 36 laps without coming close to attempting any kind
of a pass.****

Where was the "racer" then? Lol. Was it the "racer's" strategy to drop 19
seconds behind RS by the end of the race? Never heard of that one before.

Face facts. He only got past MS because MS's car suddenly dropped a second
off the pace due to bad tires. Of course he passed him. If MS didn't have a
bad set of tires, that wouldn't of happened. JPM would of languished way
behind MS for the rest of the race, just like he did behind RB. All JPM had
to do was wait a few seconds and pass MS on one of the long straights, but
instead he did something dumb and tried a pass on the outside at the Dunlop
curve, squeezed MS more than necessary, and there was an accident.

But hey, JPM fans are desperate to find anything to cheer about with the way
he's failed to be anything more than a nat buzzing around MS's face, and RS
has beaten him by every measure (qualifying, points, race speed, wins).

If you were a full second per lap faster than me in yesterday's RASCAR race,
would you have made an extremely tight pass on me in that tight right T3 (or
is it T4) on the outside, or waited until some spot which was safer?

David G Fisher

Eldre

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by Eldre » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:46:50



>Any other driver would have abandoned their car and sacrificed a few WC
>points..MS, saw there was nothing to gain from walking away, so he carried
>on. That's the difference. Hakkinen sobs behind trees...Schumacher ploughs
>on regardless.

But Hakkinen stalled the car - game over.  He would have had nothing to gain by
STAYING...

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Eldre

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by Eldre » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 12:46:49



>   Cart used to have such rules.  THen they figured if they can get a car
>restarted and moving without harming the race...then go for it.
>My feeling is F1 should mandate a sealed onboard starting system(so teams
>can't mess with it) and let a driver get restarted if he stalls.  If the
>car is beached, and a crane is required then end his day.  But if all he
>needs is a push to get clear, then by all means Heave Ho Boys!
>(Except in Japan of course)

Why not in Japan?

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Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 14:03:24

eldred
(Except in Japan of course)

   An over-eager Course Worker got mowed down a few years ago...he ran out
to assist a car in the kitty litter and another car also ran off and
knocked him into the air.  I don't remember though, if he survived.

dave henrie

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:08:49

Catching is one thing, passing another.

Do I honestly need to explain this? For Pete's sake Dave, show some common
sense. He was going to pass RB on pitstop strategy anyway, so there was no
need to take risks. Pitstops had completed when he came up on MS.

For all intents and purposes RS had a clean track all race long, JPM had to
deal with both Ferraris. I think 19s is a fair reflection of that.

No question, MS presented JPM with an opportunity to pass and he went for
it. I'm quite sure both driver car combinations were equal enough in this
race for that not to happen had MS not slackened his pace. But I disagree
with the pass on a straight being a forgone conclusion. Even on bad tyres
you can go fast in a straight line.

I couldn't care less either way, I just enjoy winding you up. <g>

No, I'd just wait for you to use up your stuff and pass at my leisure, but
that's my temperament. I'm not a very gifted but agressive Columbian.

Jan.
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Edgecrushe

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by Edgecrushe » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:50:08

He survived with a broken leg, this is exactly why pushing shouldnt be allowed. All you need is a car to spin off on oil, another
one follows it 10 seconds later while the 1st one is being pushed back on the track and, well, you get the idea.

Make it illegal to get marshalls assistance and you increase safety and stop the chance of marshalls deciding a race.

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Steve

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The Pub Landlord.


> eldred
> (Except in Japan of course)

> > Why not in Japan?

> > Eldred

>    An over-eager Course Worker got mowed down a few years ago...he ran out
> to assist a car in the kitty litter and another car also ran off and
> knocked him into the air.  I don't remember though, if he survived.

> dave henrie

Joachim Trens

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by Joachim Trens » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 20:58:33

Hi Jan,

since you say you're not a fan of either driver, I dare to add that...

...one could also say the 19s are a fair reflection of RS doing a better job
than JPM all weekend long - better Q'ing, passing the car ahead of him at
the start of the race instead of getting passed by the car behind him... :)

Achim

Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 21:30:07

I could say that, but it wouldn't wind up the RS fanboys. <g>

A product of the better qualifying position, for sure. 2nd, 4th, 6th and 8th
were all passed by those behind them, but on the clean side of the track.

But, fair enough... "the easiest way pass somebody is to outqualify him, the
2nd easiest way is to have a better start." -Carroll Smith.

Jan.
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Fernando Deutsc

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by Fernando Deutsc » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:10:46

Like when ?

Mika was interesting. He did not crack under pressure but in the absence of
it he sometimes loss concentration, like in Monza and Imola. He did not gave
up at that SPA race were he did that impresive pass over MS.

Yes, in Monza he downshift to 1st and the engine was stalled already before
the car came to a halt. Had never seen him so emotional.

Cheers.

Fer

redTe

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by redTe » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 00:22:07


On two occasions at least,  I've seen him drive sedately around a circuit
because he was having a poor race..Only when it was made clear that some
others were dropping out, did he speed knowing that a few points were there
for the taking. Not the mark of a great "racer".

Dave Henri

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by Dave Henri » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 02:11:10


thread was OT or are you not bright enough to figure that out
   The OT request is a valid one, many users have filters set to weed out
our ramblings.  Courtesy isn't demanded, but it does help.  We should try to
remember the whole group when posting.
dave (except kiteflying-crapwagon-drivers)henrie

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Nick

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by Nick » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:51:37


Wrong guy, buddy <g>

Nick

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by Nick » Tue, 01 Jul 2003 08:53:22




> Ever heard of rec.autos.sports.f1 ??

> Take this ***to the correct newsgroups please!

> OR atleast have the courtesy to mark it 'Off Topic' in the header!

> Arrgghh!!

Okay, sorry, will do that in future. Surely seeing F1 *spoiler* in the
subject would have allowed you to avoid this *crap*? <g>
Eldre

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by Eldre » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 03:51:41



>   An over-eager Course Worker got mowed down a few years ago...he ran out
>to assist a car in the kitty litter and another car also ran off and
>knocked him into the air.  I don't remember though, if he survived.

Oh, MAN... :-(

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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Wed, 02 Jul 2003 04:02:59


Well he sure as hell didn't pass him on pit stop strategy at the first round
of stops, so how could he of been able to predict the future and no for
absolute certaintity he would of been able to do so during the second round?
His gap to RB was the same for the entire 35 laps. That's ***Jan. He
couldn't pass RB because unlike MS, RB's car wasn't a second off the pace.
JPM has no magical passing abilities. It was only after he had already been
following RB around for half the race that he and Williams realized they had
a chance to squeeze out ahead at the second round of stops. RB had balance
problems, and that's why JPM eventually got past. JPM never knew at lap 5,
10, 17, 23, 28, or 30 that he was definitely going to get by RB at the
second round of stops. So why didn't he pass him earlier? Why did he just
follow RB lap after lap after lap?

 > For all intents and purposes RS had a clean track all race long, JPM had
to

RB wasn't holding him up. JPM was just*** on 1 to 1.5 seconds back for
most of those 35 laps. RS increased the lead even after JPM got past RB. JPM
reeled in MS in a flash because MS's tires were so bad. MS didn't hold him
up at all. Fact is, JPM was just slower the whole race, despite starting out
on a lower fuel load as well.

JPM was able to get along side MS heading down to the Dunlop curve. Of
course he could of gotten along side and then past MS on one of the long
straights.

What do you think my post was intended to do?

Aggressive? Don't see it. Poor decision maker? Yes. Wrecker? Definitely. If
he's so gifted, why has he been beaten by his teammate in every way? Is RS
even more gifted?

David G Fisher


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