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Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

Tom Pabs

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Tom Pabs » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:25:48

Wow....

I just witnessed one of the best road races I've ever seen....anywhere, any
form of racing.

The Busch North race at Watkins was just televised on NBC......it ended just
a few minutes ago!

It was like watching a good quality N4 online race.....at Watkins.  The lead
changed about as often as the drivers who were taking care of their tires.
Because of the cars they race in that series, the setups were allowing lots
of sliding......power driving the high-speed turns.  Several drivers put
themselves in a position to dominate.....only to be knocked back by bad
luck, making the wrong choice in attempting to pass back-markers....or not
taking care of their tires after assuming the lead.  With the level of
drivers in this series (they are not accustomed to road racing), I saw a lot
of the same mistakes I see rookie N4 drivers make at Watkins.  This is a
testimony to online sim racing......its a lot more realistic than it is
often given credit for....especially in N4 online racing against real human
drivers!

I even saw the stupid......"move over" mistake made by a back marker being
passed by one of the leaders.  Instead of holding his line....letting the
overtaking car choose when, where and how to pass.....he moved over to the
right....just as the overtaking care had committed to passing on the
right.....and the back marker got tagged in the rear....taking both cars
out!  You don't see that mistake in real-world racing much anymore.  I think
that's because by the time someone reaches the level in pro racing where
they are competing in a race that's being televised, they've long ago
learned not to make that stupid "moving over" mistake.  You still see this
way too much in online racing on N4....particularly on the two road courses!
Without an online racing school.....or any kind of online race licensing
program....I guess this is to be expected?  Even so, it still doesn't make
it any less irritating when somebody takes you out this way.  It seems like
it should just be plain old "common sense"....but I guess it isn't.  Its
also probably due a lot to the fact that in N4....with the difficulty level
of running it on the road courses......the leaders are the "experienced
drivers"......and they are not "back markers" very often...are they?  Nope!

With two laps to go.......two drivers ran nose-to-tail for the lead.  On the
white flag lap......the driver in the second position was all over the back
end of the lead car.....it was a classic application of the old "fill the
mirrors" trick!  On the last lap, going into T-1.....the leader overcooked
it into the turn, ran off into the sand pit....and finished 13th!  He'd
already been passed going into T-9 by overcooking that turn.......doing it
again going into T-1 (now chasing instead of leading) was clearly the result
of his frustration for having made that mistake going into T-9.

It was very interesting to watch real-world, professional race drivers
behave exactly like so many rookie road course drivers I've observed racing
N4 online.  Too cool!  I wish I would have taped this race, dang it.

Tom

Haqsa

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Haqsa » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 06:56:51


...

So you're saying they wrecked each other intentionally and then
threatened to kill each other afterwards?

Sorry, but somebody had to say it.  ;o)

Scott B. Huste

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Scott B. Huste » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:12:31

I didn't enjoy the race that much.  That last lap reminded me way to much of
my first lap in a GT-1 at Watkins!  <VBG>

Of course, back then they didn't have the sand traps and of course, we ran
the boot.  ;)

--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450
http://www.Husted.cc


Thom j

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Thom j » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:27:32

Tom are you sure you weren't watching a papyloop race?? hahaha

<snipped>
| It was very interesting to watch real-world, professional race drivers
| behave exactly like so many rookie road course drivers I've observed
racing
| N4 online.  Too cool!  I wish I would have taped this race, dang it.
|
| Tom

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Thom j

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Thom j » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 07:33:42


| So you're saying they wrecked each other intentionally and then
| threatened to kill each other afterwards?
|
| Sorry, but somebody had to say it.  ;o)
|
| ...
| > It was very interesting to watch real-world, professional race drivers
| > behave exactly like so many rookie road course drivers I've observed
| racing
| > N4 online.

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Uncle Feste

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Uncle Feste » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 08:58:01





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Fester

Thom j

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Thom j » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 11:51:24



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Ed Solhei

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Ed Solhei » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 12:47:40

Why do you keep posting these off-topic post TOM?

For the third time: GOTO the NASCARS groups!

Man I really thought you knew better than this!!??!!

--
ed_

Morgan V. Woote

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Morgan V. Woote » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 13:14:47

I wish I would've remembered to tape it. I had to go out of town for the day
and didn't think about the race being on until about an hour after leaving.

Regarding "moving over", I know well enough when being lapped or overtaken
to hold my line, but *common sense actually tells me* to move to awkward
locations on the race track in an effort to stay out of the way. Of course I
don't do that anymore, but that, for me, is actually what common sense
dictates.

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N4 online.  Too cool!  I wish I would have taped this race, dang it.

Thom j

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Thom j » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 14:32:20

Do you mean Tom or Thom? ed_ I guess you mean Tom P?

| Why do you keep posting these off-topic post TOM?
|
| For the third time: GOTO the NASCARS groups!
|
| Man I really thought you knew better than this!!??!!
|
| --
| ed_

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Gerry Aitke

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Gerry Aitke » Mon, 13 Aug 2001 17:41:07


> Why do you keep posting these off-topic post TOM?

> For the third time: GOTO the NASCARS groups!

> Man I really thought you knew better than this!!??!!

Ed - did you read it ;)??

Gerry

Jonny Hodgso

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Jonny Hodgso » Tue, 14 Aug 2001 00:23:43



My pet method (in R/C racing) of letting a faster car past is to wait
for a tightish corner and then go too deep/wide - effectively
out-braking myself.  The quicker guy's past before he even realises.

Jonny

Alan J. Claffi

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Alan J. Claffi » Tue, 14 Aug 2001 05:30:45


I chase the Busch North Series entire schedule and have been for the last 5
or so years, and do PR work for a handful of teams that run it it, and while
I haven't really watched the coverage yet aside from kinda following it on
the TV in the media center at the Glen, I was impressed by our 'boys'
(apologies to #04 Carey Heath).

It's a great mix of guys who have been around forever and some who are just
breaking in, and precious few have any road racing experience coming to the
series. But they adapt well and put on a whale of a show.

Part of the reason why they do a lot more slippin and slidin than the usual
TV racers there is because they run on a rock-hard bias-ply tire rather than
the radial. Sure makes for entertaining racing.

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Claff
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Parsimonious Racing #93 Claff Promotions Chevrolet in NEORA-STC, IWCC, LRL,
and NEORA-WC

Tom Pabs

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:27:35

LOL.......

"Wrecked intentionally".....no!

"Threatened to kill each other afterwards."  Absolutely.....it happens in
every form of racing I've ever been involved in.  There's something about
having a *** adrenaline level of about 40%.....gives you the urge to kill
someone when you are pissed off!  I know that I've mouthed off to someone
(which is a nice way of saying, "threatened to kill them....their kids,
wife, dog....anything they like...I'll kill them too...lol) after many
races....but mostly in my rookie year in SCCA.  After that, I learned a
lesson from TC Kline...who was my first pro racing crew chief.  TC's Rule:
Never talk to another driver or their team member(s) about an on-track
incident until at least one hour after you've gotten out of the race
car.....even if that was by crawling out the window because you were on your
lid!  Its a good rule....I've tried to follow it ever since I raced for TC.
Seems the effects of adrenaline on your judgment and choice of words isn't
very good.  *** is kinder on those two attributes by far.

Tom

Tom Pabs

Busch North Watkins Race on NBC

by Tom Pabs » Tue, 14 Aug 2001 14:50:01

Thom....

I tell you....I very easily could have been watching a PapyLoop replay.
Because these guys were all pretty much rookie road course drivers (there
were a few exceptions)....it was more like N4 pick-up racing at
Watkins.....than not.  You just don't see the WC drivers doing those kinds
of stupid things.......although they are not beyond stupid driving errors
either (like Dale Jarrett's "move" near the end of the race today that put
him in the T1 sand trap for the second time.....trying to stick a nose under
Martin....under braking...into T1...AFTER Martin had already started toward
the apex......then Jarrett realizes his mistake and wheel-hops the car into
the side of Martin....that was S.T.U.P.I.D. in a big way.....and he admitted
it in the post-race interview).

When you are coming up through the ranks in real-world racing....you usually
only make those stupid kinds of mistakes once or twice....before you vividly
learn your lesson.  Usually, "you" are paying the bills for race car
repairs......or the hospital bills for your repair....early in your career!
These things have a remarkable ability to wise you up!  You know?

But in sim racing online.....we don't have any racing schools......we don't
have a race licensing program.....and we don't have the ability to interface
with our fellow drivers immediately following an online race.....at least
not one that allows for very effective communication.  And, we don't have to
pay for car damage repair or hospital bills!  We also don't have officials
who call you to the "Chief Steward's trailer" at the end of a race (been
there, done that....a few times and its not a fun experience you want to
repeat).  That in particular...is one thing I really miss about racing on
the old TEN server system.  The chat rooms were somehow more "lively"....and
discussions about the races afterwards were more prevalent.  VROC does a
better job of that than the Sierra.com system does.....because not all the
drivers of a race exit to the same chat room after the race is over.  And,
most of the races I've run in.....nobody hangs around in the race server to
use that chat room capability....at least not often and not usually the
drivers who need talking to.

It would be great if we had a newsgroup just dedicated to discussing racing
incidents....."rules of the road" for racing on the various types of tracks
(those are the un-official rules that every driver follows - sort of a pact
made with all fellow drivers).....and official racing rules and procedures.
But then....how would we get the word out to rookie online drivers about
this newsgroup?  That's a problem.

Tom


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