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Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

De Hoo

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by De Hoo » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00

As a newby in this group, my interest in GPL is back.
I own a Thrustmaster GP1 wheel, without pedals.
I use button 3 for the clutch, I connected this button to a
floor-button.
Nothing more than a doorbel-button on a stroke of wood, works
perfecty.
I made this because I needed a handbrake in CMR.

Now I read something about tailbraking.
Does this mean that accelerate and braking are on an separate *-axe?
Is it possible to accelarate and brake at the same time, so pulling
the cars through the corners?
With my current wheel, braking and accelerating is nothing more than
actually do nothing with the engine.
The cross in  the control-panel is obviously in the middle by using
both flippers at the same time.

I'm getting interested in a FF-wheel, but I see nothing about the
Thrustmaster FF in this group.
Is this one not the best, should I go for the LWFF?
In some reviews a read that the Thrustmaster FF was most powerfull in
the FF.
What about the CH-pedals.
Can you buy these separate from the wheel?
Also in the Netherlands?

A lot of questions, but after reading this NG I downloaded a lot of
setups and replays of GPL and want to learn GPL at last.
The best driving-sim so far.

At last.
Most of the GPL-drivers go for the best time.
But do they actually ever won a race in the game?

Thanx In Advance for the answers.

Greets Ben

Andre Warrin

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Hey Ben!

You can buy the CH pedals at Computer Collectief in Amsterdam. I
ordered them online (http://www.comcol.nl/index.html) on a Saturday,
and I got them the next Monday allready. Together with the LWFF it
really is a perfect combination for GPL.

And yes, fast drivers do win races :)

Andre



Goy Larse

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Goy Larse » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00


> As a newby in this group, my interest in GPL is back.
> I own a Thrustmaster GP1 wheel, without pedals.
> I use button 3 for the clutch, I connected this button to a
> floor-button.
> Nothing more than a doorbel-button on a stroke of wood, works
> perfecty.
> I made this because I needed a handbrake in CMR.

Cool :-)

To use gas and brake at the same time as GPL supports, you need split
axis pedals (or as in your case, paddles :-), and your GP1 wheel
supports this, not totally sure though, but I think you need to connect
WITHOUT the little adapter thingy that came with your wheel and then use
the "GP1 without adapter" setting in Win9x control panel, you may have
to dowload Thrustmaster's ProPanel from their site to get it working
though (my memory is a bit vague here, been a while since I used a GP1
wheel)

I think most people (at least the ones in here :-) would recommend the
LWFF over the TM wheel, if not for the FF stuff, at least for the fact
that is uses less CPU power to do it's "magic"

CH Pedals and PRO Pedals are a seprate unit from CH, many people use
them in the strangest combination with wheels, but they are really good,
very precise in the movements, pedals are perfectly angled for sitting
in an office chair (or similar), not like the TM pedals that are best
suited if you're sitting in a racing chair very close to the floor :-),
and they last "forever" it seems, mine are over 4 years old and has only
broken down once, I used them a LOT

No idea, ask Ian Lake, he's the best (all in good fun :-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

Silvia (o Nonno Paolo, dipende dal

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Silvia (o Nonno Paolo, dipende dal » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00



>Hey Ben!

>You can buy the CH pedals at Computer Collectief in Amsterdam. I
>ordered them online (http://www.comcol.nl/index.html) on a Saturday,
>and I got them the next Monday allready. Together with the LWFF it
>really is a perfect combination for GPL.

But they costs like the steering wheel!!! 117 euro!!!

Bye!

Nonno Paolo

Stephen Barnet

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Stephen Barnet » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00

Do you mean trailbraking? That is braking into the corner, often up to the
apex, and not simply braking in a straight line before the corner.  Separate
axis should make no difference, although it is useful for other techniques.
Steve

>Now I read something about tailbraking.
>Does this mean that accelerate and braking are on an separate *-axe?
>Is it possible to accelarate and brake at the same time, so pulling
>the cars through the corners?
>With my current wheel, braking and accelerating is nothing more than
>actually do nothing with the engine.
>The cross in  the control-panel is obviously in the middle by using
>both flippers at the same time.

Jan Verschuere

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00


Hmmm... interesting.

No, like many people you're confusing trailbraking with left-foot braking.
Trailbrkaing is simply trailing (i.e. steadily letting go of) the brakes as
you complete your turn-in. You can do this with just your right foot (or
left hand on the TM GP1). With seperate axis on your controller (dunno if
that's possible on the GP1) you can start braking with your left foot (again
left hand on the GP1), with the added bonus of being able to brake against
partial engine power, which is generally referred to as left-foot braking
and is said to stabilize the car. I've never got the hang of it tho'.

Go for the LWFF, I've got one and I'm really chuffed with it. Make sure you
read up on, and play around with, the FF settings, both in the control panel
and core.ini. From what I've read this is turning out to be one of those
personal things. Different strokes for different folks.

Wrong, very wrong... GPL is the best sim so far, it's got the most
comprehensive options to tailor the car to your particular style. It doesn't
pay (well, maybe in time gained initially, but certainly not in enjoyment)
to download setups. Read the different setup guides to get a feel for what
does what and make your own. You won't be fast right off the bat, but it
pays in the long run.

Yes, the fastest guys do win races. A lot of them in fact. This has two
reasons: 1) They're supremely talented. 2) They practised, practised, then
practised some more. In GPL nothing comes easy and, on top of that, it's a
very, very cruel game. So be warned, you're going to need your enthousiasm
to keep going sometimes, but if once you start getting into it you won't be
able to put it aside anymore, no matter how bad it chews you up.

You're welcome Ben... and welcome to the ranks of the damned. ;-)

Jan.

David Ewin

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by David Ewin » Wed, 24 Nov 1999 04:00:00




> >Hey Ben!

> >You can buy the CH pedals at Computer Collectief in Amsterdam. I
> >ordered them online (http://www.comcol.nl/index.html) on a Saturday,
> >and I got them the next Monday allready. Together with the LWFF it
> >really is a perfect combination for GPL.

> But they costs like the steering wheel!!! 117 euro!!!

The CH Pedals should only be about 1/3 the cost of a LWFF (about $35.00
US).  You're probably looking at the CH Pro Pedals or the new
USB Pedals.

Dave Ewing

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David A. Ewing

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Andre Warrin

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:00:00

But they're well worth the money!

Andre

Liutger Franze

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Liutger Franze » Thu, 25 Nov 1999 04:00:00

we are talking about the non-pro ones. if you want to wire them to your
LWFF this is definately the best and cheapest choice! and its well worth
it!

        http://www.comcol.nl/bestel/hicjop_a.hth#8824d

Lio

Dino

Do I understand this right? GPL with tailbraking

by Dino » Fri, 26 Nov 1999 04:00:00

I think the default setups (V1.2) are an excellent starting point for the
"GPL newbie", very stable and forgiving IMO, It's been 6 months or so since
I've tried a "Hotshoe" setup but I never really found any that were
comfortable to me. I would suggest starting with defaults and with enough
practice you'll know what needs tweaked to fit your individual driving
style.
The GPL strategy guide "4 wheel drift" is not Moby***, It's a quick read
and has some very good information about the setup menu and explains each
function and their results when modified.

DN


> On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 23:34:26 +0100, "Jan Verschueren"

> >Wrong, very wrong... GPL is the best sim so far, it's got the most
> >comprehensive options to tailor the car to your particular style. It
doesn't
> >pay (well, maybe in time gained initially, but certainly not in
enjoyment)
> >to download setups. Read the different setup guides to get a feel for
what
> >does what and make your own. You won't be fast right off the bat, but it
> >pays in the long run.

> This, IMHO, is the kind of attitude that doesn't do a GPL newbie any
> favours. The need for a detailed understanding of setups is obvious for
> the top guys but Joe Punter like me just wants to go out and race at a
> reasonably competitive level.

> The huge variety of setups available for download means that most people
> can find or tweak a setup to suit their style. Hours of study, trial and
> error are simply not an option for some people.

> --
> Derek James


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