were the ones to get
Exactly ! They are not innocent bystanders, they spun the
sim purposely inciting people.
They should of kept quiet until close to release.
Exactly ! They are not innocent bystanders, they spun the
sim purposely inciting people.
They should of kept quiet until close to release.
Twisted logic !!
If people ever bothered to read some of the posts here they would know where
to find progress reports, but just in case you missed them
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
--
Ian P
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> LOL longest April Folls joke i ever saw
> > > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released
> > > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west
> > > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype
> > > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.'
> > > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there
> > > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay
> > > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype
> > > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his
> > > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about
> > > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild
> > > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked
> > > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?
> > Never ceases to amaze me how nutty people get over a piece of
> > *** software.
> > Cheers,
> > Rod.
It was nothing to do with hype. It was because key elements of the game
were substandard and hadn't moved on nearly enough (from GP2) to keep pace
with the current level of PC sims.
GP3 was released in July 2000, yet it looked considerably worse than games 2
years older. It had a 25 fps limit, unheard of in modern sims. Thanks to
this the game never ran smoothly. I know there is a fix for this, but when
you try to run at higher frame rates, it becomes too much for the engine and
the PO shoots up, even on a fast PC. For how it looked, it stuggled in
terms of performance. Compare the frame rates in GP3 and F1RC. F1RC looks
way better and runs way faster.
GP3 has it's infamous slow-mo effect, which ruined gameplay and enabled
hotlappers to cheat (with the aid of the fps patch).
The controller setup in particular, but also the whole menus are poorly
designed. Until the patch, GP3 was pretty difficult to get working with
certain wheels.
Then we've got no internet play and poor LAN play, where games 2 years older
can run with 20 cars on the net.
Also we had an official website claiming the game had 'industry leading 3d
audio' and yet the promised 3d sound never materialized in the game or the
patch. Despite this the official site still listed it as one of the games
features, even after release.
I was such a big Geoff Crammond fan that I thought the criticism was harsh
at the time, but I now feel it was justified. It was still better than F1
2000 though :) I read in an interview with GC before GP3 was released that
he doesn't look at the work of his competitors. This is a real pitty. He
could learn a real lot with a quick half an hour on GPL.
Ben
>Exactly ! They are not innocent bystanders, they spun the
>sim purposely inciting people.
>They should of kept quiet until close to release.
| I mean, ease up guys!!! The West Brothers strike out as independent
| developers so they don't have to deal with managers and corporate
| structure BS, and then they end up with half of RAS on thier asses
| like the worst micro-managers I've ever seen ;)....
|
| Damn it Chris and Tony - we demand a complete design doc for WSC,
| individual tasks, timeline with critical milestones and percentage
| completion. And we want it by Friday - you're already a week late on
| your project report ;)!
|
| Kendt
| >Well go read the progress report from a few weeks back on
simracingmag.com
| >then
| >
| >Doug
| >> I disagree with the basic premise that they owe us anything. However I
| >would
| >> like them to continue the level of hype that they started. A progress
| >report
| >> would be very welcome. Since, at least in terms of software, no news is
| >> rarely good news.
| >>
| >> btgoss
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Ash
If you're not content with the
| | situation, that's your own right, but demands such as 'put up or shut
| | up' are utterly ridiculous to hear from someone with absolutely no
| | credit to their name.
| |
| | -Gregor
|
Where exactly did this info come from?
> There is even a web-cam on one of the West Bro's PC's and from time to
time
> you can see them working on it - I wont post the link here as it was
> accidental that it became public-knowledge anyway - as it may be one of
the
> features of the West Racing website - which will be going live with
content
> in the very near future.
> I'd also invite you to read this
> http://www.simracingmag.com/wsc/articles/01q3/wsc_latest.shtml
> That was about a month ago - and explains what is in progress - and what's
> been done.
> I do not understand why you feel that the West's owe you anything? What
have
> you given them? Nothing. Have you made some secret down payment on a
> product. No.
> You can moan and groan all you like - but the facts are thus
> - WSC is being developed by the West Brothers for the PC to be published
by
> Empire. There is not strict release date yet - in so far as when it is
> finished - it will be published. (Personally an approach I prefer to
"It'll
> be out in June" - "Sorry, it's been pushed back till September" - "We'll
be
> releaseing in January" and so on and so forth)
> - WSC is also being developed for the PS2 - but not by the West Brothers -
> and is to be a much more consumer/arcade orientated product.
> Now you can moan, groan, shout, and scream all you want. But there's no
> point and no need.
> Doug.
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> ICQ:- 127619558
> --------------------------------------------
> > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released
> > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west
> > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype
> > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.'
> > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there
> > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay
> > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype
> > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his
> > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about
> > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild
> > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked
> > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?
All what the Westies did was saying 'this will be in, this will be in'. They
did that too with GP3. Although with GP3 it turned out that a lot of the
promised features were just not there, i do 'believe' in WSC, and i think
the others should too.
No one of us has ever spoken to Geoff Crammond. Not at E3, not in any direct
interviews, not at any forum. The West-brothers have however given a
radio-interview, they visit and even post at forums quite regularly, and
Chris West even was at a GPL-Lan in Holland for 2 days. At that Lan he was
very open and keen to get feedback from us. I spoke to him there, i know for
sure now that the West-brothers have the knowledge and dedication to make
this WSC a great sim. Best illustration of this is that he has even sold his
(italian) sportscar to pay for development costs.
Therefore i consider every attack at the West-brothers concerning WSC as a
pure display of disrespect. They have worked for 5 years on this title and
yet people slam them for not giving any extra info on development. I don't
care. My appetite for WSC is almost as big as it was when GP3 was about to
be released. We all know GP3 sucked as a sim. Therefore i have everlasting
patience when it comes to WSC. I don't care if it's going to be released in
Q4 2002, i just want the best Sim. If that means another year of
development, so be it. Just let them do their job.
For all the people who're are flaming the West-brothers in this newsgroup;
Start playing WSC or GPL first. With only GP3-experience you will be pants
in WSC:p
Svend
> > While various people can smuggly wax on on how WSC 'will be released
> > when it released' I think it time we heard more than that. The west
> > brthers and there admirers are responsible for getting the hype
> > machine running for the past years, as the proclaimed 'gpl beater.'
> > Now rumors are flying that the game is in Empire's control and there
> > will only be a psx2 version, and various other things. Yet people stay
> > silent. All this would be fine if it werent for the manufactured hype
> > that makes every little Jonny down the street wait to upgrade his
> > computer 'when wsc' comes out...and every wasted minute talking about
> > the game and reading articles about it and listening to the wild
> > notions of the west brothers. Now it appears they've been hoodwinked
> > by empire and were suposed to pitty them.....TELL US WHATS GOING ON?
> Well said....
> It's not that we mean any harm to the Wests but they were the ones to get
> the ball rolling in terms of hype, now they are all quiet suggesting
> something is not quite right.
> I feel this way only because of the flack Geoff Crammond got for GP3....
so
> many people had so many things on their wishlist that when GP3 came out
they
> said Geoff had failed yet he had included much more in the sim than he had
> promised first off which I couldn't understand...
But they have been right so far......
Bullshit, they were here there and everywhere talking about it, soliciting
wish lists, etc...
Your contradicting yourself, you just said they never hyped wsc.
Hmmm, I don't remember them ever doing anything to earn my respect.
They have worked for 5 years on this title and
5 years ago i had a p166.
I don't
Speak for yourself.
Therefore i have everlasting
You must be a democrat. (hehe)
i just want the best Sim. If that means another year of
I'm not stopping them from doing anything.
Well DUH!! I can't play wsc it's a myth, but my GPL rank is negative you can
look it up.
-Gregor
> > It's funny how the people who predict that
> > WSC is never going to be released seem the most bent out of shape about
> > it.
> But they have been right so far......
| Hm, let me get that. Someone is right that so far WSC is never going to
| be released. I think I need a few beers before my head starts to hurt...
|
| -Gregor
|
| >
| > > It's funny how the people who predict that
| > > WSC is never going to be released seem the most bent out of shape
about
| > > it.
| > >
| >
| > But they have been right so far......
Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.
-Gregor
> And I thought our Physics threads were difficult to comprehend ;)
> | Hm, let me get that. Someone is right that so far WSC is never going to
> | be released. I think I need a few beers before my head starts to hurt...
> |
> | -Gregor
> |