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Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

Dave Henri

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Dave Henri » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00

  The other night I was watching the FIA repeats on Speedvision.(finally
a way to get through winter!  God Bless you Speedvision)
every 5 minutes there was a commercial for Test Drive 6.
  When Speedvision premiered Grand Prix last year, all Sierra had to do
was show the movie intro for the sim and I guarentee you the Grand Prix
fans would have scooped that title up.  Of course I'm not sure how many
would keep it after spinning  off a dozen times in the first lap.
dave henrie

> Ermmmm

> I disagree whole-heartedly.

> There IS a mass market for realistic driving sims (F1 and otherwise), it's
> just that the doe-heads in marketing (ALL OF THEM in the F1 arena) seem to
> think that putting a full page adverti***t in a magazine that caters to
> the 14-20 yr old "flavour of the month" market will suffice in selling a
> game. This just isn't the case with simulations. They (the marketing
> doe-heads), seem content to ignore the very market that is growing at the
> largest rate, is MORE cash ready to purchased the equipment/game, is an
> instant "loyal client" upon satisfaction, and has the longest "shelf-life"
> participants..... the market OLDER than 20 yrs old.

> Don't blame anyone else but the marketing guys that have screwed it up for
> the game company, the avid end-users, and the programmers that WANT to make
> the games. I don't blame the "suits" for not wanting to make another
> "realistic" Sim based on the "box-office" failures of the past (GPL being
> perhaps the biggest).

> The "suits" are going to look at the numbers from GPL, and think that the
> market doesn't want a realistic sim... but the numbers are tainted because
> the marketing idiots didn't know their target market and squandered the
> money on useless advertising that had no impact on the QuakeIII fanatics.

> They should take a page out of the Flight Sims Marketers on how it's done
> properly, and successfully...

> My 2 cents that I hand out in frustration....

> Cheers,

> Shumi
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/



> > Lets face it.. .who can drive a GPL car straight out of the box??    Myabe
> > 1% of the population.

> > Translate that to an F1 car, who could drive an F1 sim that was TOTALLY
> > realistc.??

> > This is what we want., but I feel will never get.. Why??  Because the mass
> > market can't use it.

> > Software developers are in the business of making money.. that is IT...
> > So, they won't go making sims for a VERY neche (is that how you spell it?)
> > market that won't sell, and won't make money.

> > Grand Prix Legends I feel is the last TRUE sim we may ever see from mass
> > software houses.   It was a financial failure and won't be repeated again.

> > BUT.. it may be possible to produce true sims by sim enthusiasts.  I feel
> > this is the ONLY way we will ever see another GPL.

> > Just my 2 cents, but I think it makes a lot of sense  :-)

> > James Pickard,
> > Melbourne,
> > AUSTRALIA

Joel Willstei

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Joel Willstei » Wed, 01 Dec 1999 04:00:00


Peter,

    This is the 1st that I've heard that EA is actually going ahead with TAR
68-72.  Where did you see this ?

Joel Willstein

Tim

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Tim » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00






> > >I disagree completely, but we will soon know which of us is right. EA
> > >is in fact working on a 50s/60s version of Need for Speed. I'm betting
> > >it will be a big success. Any takers?

> > Any idea what it will be called, or when it looks to be released?

> NFS: Motor City      Q4 1999........or whenever its ready.
> Most of the PC *** mags have featured a preview already.
> Looks great IMO.

    But the question still begs : What's she like to drive???
Obiwan Benkenob

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Obiwan Benkenob » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Falcon 4? longbow 2?
(and even the older Tornado and falcon 3)

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Joel Willstei

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Joel Willstei » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00


    We already have a great Modern day Trans-Am series in SCGT when you
download the 3.0 service pack.

Joel Willstein

Marty U'Re

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Marty U'Re » Thu, 02 Dec 1999 04:00:00

Exactly. Everyone needs to make a living but as is all too often the case, Papy
seems to have sold their sole to the devil, Sierra.

Marty


> I would feel much better if Papy found a new publisher or they publish
> their own software. I have no faith in Sierra.

> > I disagree, and my confidence remains in Papyrus because of one single man:
> > Dave Kaemmer - the guy's an absolute genius and the man's possessed when it
> > comes to the physics..... I bet his next sim will need an exorcist before
> > you can use it. :-)

> > Mike.

Peter Ive

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Peter Ive » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00



Sold their sole?  Don't tell me they're doing a fishing sim. :-)
--
Peter Ives
Dave Henri

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Dave Henri » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00




> >Exactly. Everyone needs to make a living but as is all too often the case, Papy
> >seems to have sold their sole to the devil, Sierra.

> Sold their sole?  Don't tell me they're doing a fishing sim. :-)
> --
> Peter Ives

  Can you imagine the arguments we'd get in then??  
....dream mode engaged.....

  I'm telling ya, I have driven the chris craft bassmaster 2000
and NO WAY does this sim fathfully model the lift and drag properties
of that tin boat. ...
  --
   not to be rude but anyone who chooses the CC B2k probably still
thinks catch and release is a solution to homeless overcrowding.
--
  oh yeah well your mother smells fish eggss..

....dream mode disengaged.....

dave henrie

Daxe Rexfor

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Daxe Rexfor » Fri, 03 Dec 1999 04:00:00


>> Sold their sole?  Don't tell me they're doing a fishing sim. :-)
>> --
>> Peter Ives
>  Can you imagine the arguments we'd get in then??
>....dream mode engaged.....

Then of course the websites would begin to pop up where you could download
different lures....

~daxe

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Dave Henri

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Dave Henri » Sat, 04 Dec 1999 04:00:00

  Thats interesting.  In the flight sim genre, didn't Air Warrior and
Warbirds(two of the first "realistic flight model" sims) begin life as
projects by a small group of flight sim enthusiasts?    And
Thrustmaster...it too was a project of a few flight simmrs in Oregon.
  So you "may" be right.  I will say the immense strides SCGT has taken
since it was released have been 95% private initiatives.
dave henrie

Eldre

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Eldre » Mon, 06 Dec 1999 04:00:00


>  The other night I was watching the FIA repeats on Speedvision.(finally
>a way to get through winter!  God Bless you Speedvision)
>every 5 minutes there was a commercial for Test Drive 6.
>  When Speedvision premiered Grand Prix last year, all Sierra had to do
>was show the movie intro for the sim and I guarentee you the Grand Prix
>fans would have scooped that title up.  Of course I'm not sure how many
>would keep it after spinning  off a dozen times in the first lap.
>dave henrie

So why is it that WE can see such perfect marketing connections, but the people
who get PAID to do it can't...?

Eldred
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Obiwan Benkenob

Sim Racing can never be sucessful.....

by Obiwan Benkenob » Thu, 09 Dec 1999 04:00:00




> > Sold their sole?  Don't tell me they're doing a fishing sim. :-)
> > --
> > Peter Ives
>   Can you imagine the arguments we'd get in then??  
> ....dream mode engaged.....

>   I'm telling ya, I have driven the chris craft bassmaster 2000
> and NO WAY does this sim fathfully model the lift and drag properties
> of that tin boat. ...
>   --

Hilarious :-)

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