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3Dfx vs Verite 2200

Alison Hi

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by Alison Hi » Fri, 05 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with the Hercules Verite
2200 board?  How about availability?  

The video card in one of my computers died, and I was on the point of
buying a Screamin' 3D card for $169 from Sam's Club.  Now it looks like
I should wait till I can get a Verite 2200 board - if the wait isn't too
long!

My far-and-away favorite sim is ICR2/3D (the Rendition version), but I
also want to be able to try the new F1 and CART sims that are supposed
to be coming out soon.  Most or all of these seem to support the 3DFX
chipset, but not all support the Verite chipset.  Of course, I suppose
for those that are Win95/DirectX only, that doesn't really matter too
much.

From what I've read, the 3DFX cards are great, but my local store said
it's impossible to get Matrox Milleniums, and if they could, they want
$300 for them.  And if I put in a 3DFX card, I wouldn't be able to run
ICR2/3D on that machine.

What do you think?  Should I wait for the Hercules?  Or some other
Verite 2200 card?

Alison


Alison


SimRaci

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by SimRaci » Fri, 05 Sep 1997 04:00:00


>Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with the Hercules Verite
>2200 board?  How about availability?  

>The video card in one of my computers died, and I was on the point of
>buying a Screamin' 3D card for $169 from Sam's Club.  Now it looks like
>I should wait till I can get a Verite 2200 board - if the wait isn't too
>long!

The card is due to be released this week(?), but FWIW, you should be
able to find the v1000 card cheaper than at Sam's (check Comp-USA).
BTW, the Sierra card is a good one.

If ICR2 is your favorite, then you may want to hold off before paying
out the dough, as ICR2 doesn't work on the v2200 (yet).  Rendition and
Papyrus are reportedly looking into where the problem is, but I suspect
that it's in the card's archetecture.  N2 and Soda work fine (I had
initially had my doubts earlier), as well as other Rendition titles
AFAIK.

None the less, I plan to find a way to grab one of these babies soon
(I'm good at that<g>), and hope to report on the card's performance.
Also look for notes by Eric Busch on the card, as I think he's also
interested in putting one through its paces.  =)

If you want to run ICR2-3D now, then the v1000 series cards are the
only game in town.  If you want stellar performance right now, then get
one of the 3dfx cards.  If you can only wait a week, then get the new
v2200 chip, and do without ICR2.  However, if you can at least hold out
for another couple of weeks, then there may (or may not) be a fix for
ICR2-3D, but you'll be able to make a better informed decision.

Cheers!

Marc

Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing Online / Sim Racing News / The Sim Project
http://members.aol.com/simracing

David Mast

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by David Mast » Fri, 05 Sep 1997 04:00:00


>Does anyone have any thoughts or experience with the Hercules Verite
>2200 board?  How about availability?  

Not out yet, as far as I know.

I just got some junkmail from Intergraph with an offer for their Verite 1000
board for $99.

I didn't quite follow the above.  It seems you are under the impression that
the Millenium uses a 3DFX, or would somehow be equivalent to one?  The
Millenium doesn't use the 3dfx chip.  And while it is very highly regarded
(IMHO, over-regarded) as a 2D accelerator, it is not a good 3D accelerator.

I've heard of people who have three (even four?) cards in their system. So
you actually *can* have a 3dfx, and a Verite in your system simultaneously.  
Or so I've been told.

I wouldn't limit myself to the Hercules version of the Verite 2200.  I'd
take a wait and see (have to anyway as it isn't available).  Unless you
really, really need to play ICR2 now, I'd advise against picking up a Verite
1000.  Unless $99 doesn't mean anything to you, or unless you can find it on
the net cheap (probable as people upgrade).  There are new impressive cards
coming out, the Verite 2200's, the Riva128's (STB Velocity 128), the 6MB
3dfx-based Canopus Pure 3D, and eventually the next 3dfx chip.

SimRaci

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by SimRaci » Sat, 06 Sep 1997 04:00:00

The v2200 chip doesn't yet run ICR2-3D...We'll have to wait for a
fix.  =(

Cheers!

Marc

Alison Hi

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by Alison Hi » Sun, 07 Sep 1997 04:00:00


This is an intriguing idea.  Have you actually tried this?  Any
problems?  Does Win95 work?  How about DirectX?  Which version of
DirectX are you running?

Alison


Alison Hi

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by Alison Hi » Sun, 07 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Oops!  I was misinformed.  I thought the box at the store said it used
the 3dfx, but some research on the Web today shows it's a proprietary
chip.

Ahhhh!  Now here's an idea!  I've seen several references to this
approach on this newsgroup.  

Can someone enlighten me on this?  How does this work?  Do you simply
plug Rendition card into the pass-through on the 3dfx card, and plug the
monitor into the 3dfx?  Does the 2D stuff get done by the Verite card?
Will DOS sims such as ICR2 find the Rendition card?  How do Win95 and
DirectX handle this?  Has anyone had problems with this approach?

If this works, I could get a Verite 1000 now, as the prices are falling,
and put in a 3dfx card like the new Canopus Pure 3D later.  I'd have the
best of both worlds - Rendition-enhanced ICR2 *and* 3dfx for stuff like
Ubisoft F1 and X-car.

*If* it works.  Seems like a big "if"!

Alison


Phil & Kim Abe

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by Phil & Kim Abe » Mon, 08 Sep 1997 04:00:00



<snip>

Yes, that's exactly how it works!!

Yes, my 3dblaster (V1000) runs the accel. versions of ICR2 & N2, and my
Monster3d kicks in to run Direct3d apps.

  How do Win95 and

I always boot out to dos to run both sims, but i've had no problems running
any DirectX software. In fact, the Motoracer demo really rocks along!! I
even got my ECCI w/p set to run in W95 using the adaptor.!!

Definately no if's or but's. It work's a treat. !!
Happy lappin'

Phil
" Don't look back, they may be gaining on you. "

Matt & Audrey Lewi

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by Matt & Audrey Lewi » Tue, 09 Sep 1997 04:00:00


> >I've heard of people who have three (even four?) cards in their system. So
> >you actually *can* have a 3dfx, and a Verite in your system simultaneously.
> >Or so I've been told.

> Ahhhh!  Now here's an idea!  I've seen several references to this
> approach on this newsgroup.

> Can someone enlighten me on this?  How does this work?  Do you simply
> plug Rendition card into the pass-through on the 3dfx card, and plug the
> monitor into the 3dfx?  Does the 2D stuff get done by the Verite card?
> Will DOS sims such as ICR2 find the Rendition card?  How do Win95 and
> DirectX handle this?  Has anyone had problems with this approach?
> Alison


Yup, it works great.  I have a Sierra Screamin'3D Rendition card and a Monster
3D from Diamond.  They operate fine and the drivers never seem to conflict.  The
Monster 3D usually does the Direct 3D stuff, but there are exceptions to this
rule in games where you are given a choice to use either card you prefer (ex:
Mechwarrior2 Mercenaries).  If you have the money, this is the way to go.

--
Matt & Audrey Lewis

Popp

3Dfx vs Verite 2200

by Popp » Tue, 09 Sep 1997 04:00:00

Thanks for enlightening me Marc.....

Take it easy!


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