rec.autos.simulators

by **CART Te** » Sat, 15 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Thanks for the posting - it almost seems as though people feel it necessary
to post an apology before saying anything nice about CPR on r.a.s.!

It's OK to like the sim - many other people do judging by our sales and
email!

Don't be intimidated by the slammers - I understand this is the traditional
r.a.s. "trial-by-fire"!

Maybe we should start a "CPR-Anon" group! LOL!

Anyway, being serious for a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue with most
systems that
are properly configured and not set for MAX everything (sometimes I wish
we'd
just limited what MAX actually does - less visibility than 31, less trees,
less hills,
lower rez textures etc etc). Then everyone could say "I have it set to MAX
everything and it still runs fast!".

Oh well.

Anyway, 25-30 fps on your system is about right (but 10 other apps
running?).

I see 30-40fps on a similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and with detail
turned to
medium and GOOD image quality. And only CART running!

A PII-266 3dfx hits almost 50 fps consistently.

by **wsiegle** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

50fps on a 266!!!!! I need to get one of those! hehe :)

by **Mark F** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

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Then maybe you can help my trouble. I have a 233MMX P55C,32 MB's =
SDRam, Diamond Sleath 3d 3000 Profesional Edition, Sound Blaster 64 =
Gold, 512 Pipeline burst, Ultra DMA Western Digital 6.4 GB hard disk, =
and 24bit color depth. I am running the Demo version until Christmas or =
My Birthday(12/12). And I can't get a frame rate better then 15fps. The =
lowest I get is 8fps. And I don't have a clue on what the error might =
be. I want to be able to run at least 20fps min. I know my system can. =
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

--=20
Sincerely,
Mark F.

P.S. Don't get my wronge, but I like CPR and I am not flaming.

Got a site on the Web? Want to promote or Join a Network? Heres your =
place to go:
http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/
Want to learn NASCAR 2 and/or Icr2 Editing? Well, then come here!:
http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/mypage/
(nospam)

Dean (CART Team) wrote in message <64jk5h$...@news.microsoft.com>...

Thanks for the posting - it almost seems as though people feel it =
necessary
to post an apology before saying anything nice about CPR on r.a.s.!
=20
It's OK to like the sim - many other people do judging by our sales =
and
email!
=20
Don't be intimidated by the slammers - I understand this is the =
traditional
r.a.s. "trial-by-fire"!
=20
Maybe we should start a "CPR-Anon" group! LOL!
=20
Anyway, being serious for a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue with =
most
systems that
are properly configured and not set for MAX everything (sometimes I =
wish
we'd
just limited what MAX actually does - less visibility than 31, less =
trees,
less hills,
lower rez textures etc etc). Then everyone could say "I have it set =
to MAX
everything and it still runs fast!".
=20
Oh well.
=20
Anyway, 25-30 fps on your system is about right (but 10 other apps
running?).
=20
I see 30-40fps on a similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and with =
detail
turned to
medium and GOOD image quality. And only CART running!
=20
A PII-266 3dfx hits almost 50 fps consistently.
=20
wsiegler wrote in article <64jist$db...@newsfep3.sprintmail.com>...
=20
>Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend CPR or anything =
because the Al
>is nonexistent, but today I learned how to get the frame rate to =
display.
I
>have heard a lot of talk about how bad it is and all that jazz... =
but for
>me... It's not bad at all... In fact, It's darn good. I have a =
Monster
3D
>and I get about 25fps on average. Never lower than 20, sometimes =
higher
>than 30! I have nothing too special, stuff that most everyone has =
or even
>not as good... 32Megs ram, Matrox Millenium w/4MB. It makes me =
wonder, Is
>that Pentium Pro 200 chip what makes it so good. I always have at =
least 10
>programs running in the background at any given time. I never =
bothered
with
>a rendition card for N2 because even with every detail turned on =
and all
>cars being drawn, My frame rate was higher than =
20fps(judgingbyeye). This
>just makes me wonder if I made a good decision over the MMX chip. =
If
anyone
>can Identify with this I'd like to know. My .02
>
>
>.
>
=20
=20
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know my=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><BR>--=20
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Sincerely,<BR>         &nbsp=
;            =
         =20
Mark F. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>P.S. Don't get my wronge, but I like CPR and I am not =
flaming.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Got a site on the Web? Want to promote or Join a Network? Heres =
your place=20
to go:<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/">http://www.webstorage.com/~sim=
go/</A><BR>Want=20
to learn NASCAR 2 and/or Icr2 Editing? Well, then come here!:<BR><A=20
href=3D"http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/mypage/">http://www.webstorage.c=
om/~simgo/mypage/</A><BR>(nospam) </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
<DIV>Dean (CART Team)<DLES...@MICROSOFT.COM> wrote in message <<A =

=
href=3D"mailto:64jk5h$...@news.microsoft.com">64jk5h$...@news.microsoft.c=
om</A>>...</DIV>Thanks=20
for the posting - it almost seems as though people feel it =
necessary<BR>to=20
post an apology before saying anything nice about CPR on =
r.a.s.!<BR><BR>It's=20
OK to like the sim - many other people do judging by our sales=20
and<BR>email!<BR><BR>Don't be intimidated by the slammers - I =
understand=20
this is the traditional<BR>r.a.s. =
"trial-by-fire"!<BR><BR>Maybe we=20
should start a "CPR-Anon" group!  LOL!<BR><BR>Anyway, =
being=20
serious for a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue with most<BR>systems =

that<BR>are properly configured and not set for MAX everything =
(sometimes I=20
wish<BR>we'd<BR>just limited what MAX actually does - less =
visibility than=20
31, less trees,<BR>less hills,<BR>lower rez textures etc etc). Then =
everyone=20
could say "I have it set to MAX<BR>everything and it still runs =

fast!".<BR><BR>Oh well.<BR><BR>Anyway, 25-30 fps on your system =
is=20
about right (but 10 other apps<BR>running?).<BR><BR>I see 30-40fps =
on a=20
similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and with detail<BR>turned=20
to<BR>medium and GOOD image quality. And only CART running!<BR><BR>A =
PII-266=20
3dfx hits almost 50 fps consistently.<BR><BR>wsiegler wrote in =
article=20
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:64jist$db...@newsfep3.sprintmail.com">64jist$db4$1@newsfep=
3.sprintmail.com</A>>...<BR><BR>>Don't=20
get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend CPR or anything because the=20
Al<BR>>is nonexistent, but today I learned how to get the frame =
rate to=20
display.<BR>I<BR>>have heard a lot of talk about how bad it is =
and all=20
that jazz...  but for<BR>>me...  It's not bad at =
all... =20
In fact, It's darn good.  I have a Monster<BR>3D<BR>>and I =
get about=20
25fps on average.  Never lower than 20, sometimes =
higher<BR>>than=20
30!  I have nothing too special, stuff that most everyone has =
or=20
even<BR>>not as good...  32Megs ram, Matrox Millenium =
w/4MB. =20
It makes me wonder, Is<BR>>that Pentium Pro 200 chip what makes =
it so=20
good.  I always have at least 10<BR>>programs running in the =

background at any given time.  I never =
bothered<BR>with<BR>>a=20
rendition card for N2 because even with every detail turned on and=20
all<BR>>cars being drawn,  My frame rate was higher than=20
20fps(judgingbyeye).  This<BR>>just makes me wonder if I =
made a good=20
decision over the MMX chip.  If<BR>anyone<BR>>can Identify =
with this=20
I'd like to know.  My=20
.02<BR>><BR>><BR>>.<BR>><BR><BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTM=
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by **David Radeck** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Yeah it amazes me that so many people are slamming CPR and singing the
praises of N2, GP2, and ICR2 when some of the same people were slamming
these same products. Don't get me wrong I think these are great products, I
just find it ironic.

Drade

>Thanks for the posting - it almost seems as though people feel it necessary
>to post an apology before saying anything nice about CPR on r.a.s.!

>It's OK to like the sim - many other people do judging by our sales and
>email!

>Don't be intimidated by the slammers - I understand this is the traditional
>r.a.s. "trial-by-fire"!

>Maybe we should start a "CPR-Anon" group! LOL!

>Anyway, being serious for a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue with most
>systems that
>are properly configured and not set for MAX everything (sometimes I wish
>we'd
>just limited what MAX actually does - less visibility than 31, less trees,
>less hills,
>lower rez textures etc etc). Then everyone could say "I have it set to MAX
>everything and it still runs fast!".

>Oh well.

>Anyway, 25-30 fps on your system is about right (but 10 other apps
>running?).

>I see 30-40fps on a similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and with detail
>turned to
>medium and GOOD image quality. And only CART running!

>A PII-266 3dfx hits almost 50 fps consistently.

>>Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend CPR or anything because the
Al
>>is nonexistent, but today I learned how to get the frame rate to display.
>I
>>have heard a lot of talk about how bad it is and all that jazz... but for
>>me... It's not bad at all... In fact, It's darn good. I have a Monster
>3D
>>and I get about 25fps on average. Never lower than 20, sometimes higher
>>than 30! I have nothing too special, stuff that most everyone has or even
>>not as good... 32Megs ram, Matrox Millenium w/4MB. It makes me wonder,
Is
>>that Pentium Pro 200 chip what makes it so good. I always have at least
10
>>programs running in the background at any given time. I never bothered
>with
>>a rendition card for N2 because even with every detail turned on and all
>>cars being drawn, My frame rate was higher than 20fps(judgingbyeye).
This
>>just makes me wonder if I made a good decision over the MMX chip. If
>anyone
>>can Identify with this I'd like to know. My .02

>>.

by **John** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

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Run in 640x480 mode but turn off everything except dashboard. Make sure =
you are not running Picture in Picture. Turning off the map and =
leaderboard helps but only about 1FPS for each option. If you can do =
without the dashboard you can turn that off also. Make sure you are =
running in full screen mode without a title bar. If you run in windowed =
or full screen with title bar you are running in software acceleration =
mode not hardware. If there is any way you can manage it get a Monster =
3D card with the 3DFX chip. I think these cards retail for $150 right =
now and they might even have some rebates on it. This card is one =
investment that pays off handsomely for 3D games! It is amazing how this =
games transforms Quake and CART Precision Racing. If you need more =
information about CART Precision Racing head over to The APEX =
http://www.quiknet.com/~joja=20
You will find setups, fast laps, FAQ, message board, editing, and more!

Thanks
John

Mark F. wrote in message ...

Then maybe you can help my trouble. I have a 233MMX P55C,32 MB's =
SDRam, Diamond Sleath 3d 3000 Profesional Edition, Sound Blaster 64 =
Gold, 512 Pipeline burst, Ultra DMA Western Digital 6.4 GB hard disk, =
and 24bit color depth. I am running the Demo version until Christmas or =
My Birthday(12/12). And I can't get a frame rate better then 15fps. The =
lowest I get is 8fps. And I don't have a clue on what the error might =
be. I want to be able to run at least 20fps min. I know my system can. =
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
=20
--=20
Sincerely,
Mark F.=20
=20
P.S. Don't get my wronge, but I like CPR and I am not flaming.
=20
Got a site on the Web? Want to promote or Join a Network? Heres your =
place to go:
http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/
Want to learn NASCAR 2 and/or Icr2 Editing? Well, then come here!:
http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/mypage/
(nospam)=20
Dean (CART Team) wrote in message <64jk5h$...@news.microsoft.com>...
Thanks for the posting - it almost seems as though people feel =
it necessary
to post an apology before saying anything nice about CPR on =
r.a.s.!
=20
It's OK to like the sim - many other people do judging by our =
sales and
email!
=20
Don't be intimidated by the slammers - I understand this is the =
traditional
r.a.s. "trial-by-fire"!
=20
Maybe we should start a "CPR-Anon" group! LOL!
=20
Anyway, being serious for a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue =
with most
systems that
are properly configured and not set for MAX everything =
(sometimes I wish
we'd
just limited what MAX actually does - less visibility than 31, =
less trees,
less hills,
lower rez textures etc etc). Then everyone could say "I have it =
set to MAX
everything and it still runs fast!".
=20
Oh well.
=20
Anyway, 25-30 fps on your system is about right (but 10 other =
apps
running?).
=20
I see 30-40fps on a similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and =
with detail
turned to
medium and GOOD image quality. And only CART running!
=20
A PII-266 3dfx hits almost 50 fps consistently.
=20
wsiegler wrote in article =
<64jist$db...@newsfep3.sprintmail.com>...
=20
>Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend CPR or anything =
because the Al
>is nonexistent, but today I learned how to get the frame rate =
to display.
I
>have heard a lot of talk about how bad it is and all that =
jazz... but for
>me... It's not bad at all... In fact, It's darn good. I have =
a Monster
3D
>and I get about 25fps on average. Never lower than 20, =
sometimes higher
>than 30! I have nothing too special, stuff that most everyone =
has or even
>not as good... 32Megs ram, Matrox Millenium w/4MB. It makes =
me wonder, Is
>that Pentium Pro 200 chip what makes it so good. I always have =
at least 10
>programs running in the background at any given time. I never =
bothered
with
>a rendition card for N2 because even with every detail turned =
on and all
>cars being drawn, My frame rate was higher than =
20fps(judgingbyeye). This
>just makes me wonder if I made a good decision over the MMX =
chip. If
anyone
>can Identify with this I'd like to know. My .02
>
>
>.
>
=20
=20
=20

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everything=20
except dashboard. Make sure you are not running Picture in Picture. =
Turning off=20
the map and leaderboard helps but only about 1FPS for each option. If =
you can do=20
without the dashboard you can turn that off also. Make sure you are =
running in=20
full screen mode without a title bar. If you run in windowed or full =
screen with=20
title bar you are running in software acceleration mode not hardware. If =
there=20
is any way you can manage it get a Monster 3D card with the 3DFX chip. I =
think=20
these cards retail for $150 right now and they might even have some =
rebates on=20
it. This card is one investment that pays off handsomely for 3D games! =
It is=20
amazing how this games transforms Quake and CART Precision Racing. If =
you need=20
more information about CART Precision Racing head over to The APEX <A=20
href=3D"http://www.quiknet.com/~joja">http://www.quiknet.com/~joja</A>=20
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2></FONT><FONT size=3D2>You will find =
setups, fast=20
laps, FAQ, message board, editing, and more!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>John</FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; PADDING-LEFT: =
5px">
<DIV>Mark F.<MONIT...@UNIX.ASB.COM> wrote in=20
message<EJP29Z....@NONEXISTENT.COM> ...</DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2>    <FONT =
color=3D#000000>Then=20
maybe you can help my trouble. I have a 233MMX P55C,32 MB's SDRam, =
Diamond=20
Sleath 3d 3000 Profesional Edition, Sound Blaster 64 Gold, 512 =
Pipeline=20
burst, Ultra DMA Western Digital 6.4 GB hard disk, and 24bit color =
depth. I=20
am running the Demo version until Christmas or My Birthday(12/12). =
And I=20
can't get a frame rate better then 15fps. The lowest I get is 8fps. =
And I=20
don't have a clue on what the error might be. I want to be able to =
run at=20
least 20fps min. I know my system can. Any help would be greatly=20
appreciated.</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#000000 size=3D2><BR>--=20
=
<BR></FONT>          &n=
bsp;           &nb=
sp;        =20
=
Sincerely,<BR>         &nbsp=
;            =
         =20
Mark F. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>P.S. Don't get my wronge, but I like CPR and I am not =
flaming.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Got a site on the Web? Want to promote or Join a Network? Heres =
your=20
place to go:<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/">http://www.webstorage.com/~sim=
go/</A><BR>Want=20
to learn NASCAR 2 and/or Icr2 Editing? Well, then come here!:<BR><A=20
=
href=3D"http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/mypage/">http://www.webstorage.c=
om/~simgo/mypage/</A><BR>(nospam) </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE=20
style=3D"BORDER-LEFT: #000000 solid 2px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; =
PADDING-LEFT: 5px">
<DIV>Dean (CART Team)<DLES...@MICROSOFT.COM> wrote in message =
<<A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:64jk5h$...@news.microsoft.com">64jk5h$...@news.microsoft.c=
om</A>>...</DIV>Thanks=20
for the posting - it almost seems as though people feel it=20
necessary<BR>to post an apology before saying anything nice =
about CPR on=20
r.a.s.!<BR><BR>It's OK to like the sim - many other people do =
judging by=20
our sales and<BR>email!<BR><BR>Don't be intimidated by the =
slammers - I=20
understand this is the traditional<BR>r.a.s.=20
"trial-by-fire"!<BR><BR>Maybe we should start a=20
"CPR-Anon" group!  LOL!<BR><BR>Anyway, being =
serious for=20
a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue with most<BR>systems =
that<BR>are=20
properly configured and not set for MAX everything (sometimes I=20
wish<BR>we'd<BR>just limited what MAX actually does - less =
visibility=20
than 31, less trees,<BR>less hills,<BR>lower rez textures etc =
etc). Then=20
everyone could say "I have it set to MAX<BR>everything and =
it still=20
runs fast!".<BR><BR>Oh well.<BR><BR>Anyway, 25-30 fps on =
your=20
system is about right (but 10 other apps<BR>running?).<BR><BR>I =
see=20
30-40fps on a similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and with=20
detail<BR>turned to<BR>medium and GOOD
...

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by **John** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

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Run in 640x480 mode but turn off everything except dashboard. Make sure =
you are not running Picture in Picture. Turning off the map and =
leaderboard helps but only about 1FPS for each option. If you can do =
without the dashboard you can turn that off also. Make sure you are =
running in full screen mode without a title bar. If you run in windowed =
or full screen with title bar you are running in software acceleration =
mode not hardware. If there is any way you can manage it get a Monster =
3D card with the 3DFX chip. I think these cards retail for $150 right =
now and they might even have some rebates on it. This card is one =
investment that pays off handsomely for 3D games! It is amazing how this =
games transforms Quake and CART Precision Racing. If you need more =
information about CART Precision Racing head over to The APEX =
http://www.quiknet.com/~joja=20
You will find setups, fast laps, FAQ, message board, editing, and more!

Thanks
John

Mark F. wrote in message ...

Then maybe you can help my trouble. I have a 233MMX P55C,32 MB's =
SDRam, Diamond Sleath 3d 3000 Profesional Edition, Sound Blaster 64 =
Gold, 512 Pipeline burst, Ultra DMA Western Digital 6.4 GB hard disk, =
and 24bit color depth. I am running the Demo version until Christmas or =
My Birthday(12/12). And I can't get a frame rate better then 15fps. The =
lowest I get is 8fps. And I don't have a clue on what the error might =
be. I want to be able to run at least 20fps min. I know my system can. =
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
=20
--=20
Sincerely,
Mark F.=20
=20
P.S. Don't get my wronge, but I like CPR and I am not flaming.
=20
Got a site on the Web? Want to promote or Join a Network? Heres your =
place to go:
http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/
Want to learn NASCAR 2 and/or Icr2 Editing? Well, then come here!:
http://www.webstorage.com/~simgo/mypage/
(nospam)=20
Dean (CART Team) wrote in message <64jk5h$...@news.microsoft.com>...
Thanks for the posting - it almost seems as though people feel =
it necessary
to post an apology before saying anything nice about CPR on =
r.a.s.!
=20
It's OK to like the sim - many other people do judging by our =
sales and
email!
=20
Don't be intimidated by the slammers - I understand this is the =
traditional
r.a.s. "trial-by-fire"!
=20
Maybe we should start a "CPR-Anon" group! LOL!
=20
Anyway, being serious for a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue =
with most
systems that
are properly configured and not set for MAX everything =
(sometimes I wish
we'd
just limited what MAX actually does - less visibility than 31, =
less trees,
less hills,
lower rez textures etc etc). Then everyone could say "I have it =
set to MAX
everything and it still runs fast!".
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Oh well.
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Anyway, 25-30 fps on your system is about right (but 10 other =
apps
running?).
=20
I see 30-40fps on a similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and =
with detail
turned to
medium and GOOD image quality. And only CART running!
=20
A PII-266 3dfx hits almost 50 fps consistently.
=20
wsiegler wrote in article =
<64jist$db...@newsfep3.sprintmail.com>...
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>Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend CPR or anything =
because the Al
>is nonexistent, but today I learned how to get the frame rate =
to display.
I
>have heard a lot of talk about how bad it is and all that =
jazz... but for
>me... It's not bad at all... In fact, It's darn good. I have =
a Monster
3D
>and I get about 25fps on average. Never lower than 20, =
sometimes higher
>than 30! I have nothing too special, stuff that most everyone =
has or even
>not as good... 32Megs ram, Matrox Millenium w/4MB. It makes =
me wonder, Is
>that Pentium Pro 200 chip what makes it so good. I always have =
at least 10
>programs running in the background at any given time. I never =
bothered
with
>a rendition card for N2 because even with every detail turned =
on and all
>cars being drawn, My frame rate was higher than =
20fps(judgingbyeye). This
>just makes me wonder if I made a good decision over the MMX =
chip. If
anyone
>can Identify with this I'd like to know. My .02
>
>
>.
>
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you need=20
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Pipeline=20
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about CPR on=20
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judging by=20
our sales and<BR>email!<BR><BR>Don't be intimidated by the =
slammers - I=20
understand this is the traditional<BR>r.a.s.=20
"trial-by-fire"!<BR><BR>Maybe we should start a=20
"CPR-Anon" group!  LOL!<BR><BR>Anyway, being =
serious for=20
a sec, frame rate is *not* an issue with most<BR>systems =
that<BR>are=20
properly configured and not set for MAX everything (sometimes I=20
wish<BR>we'd<BR>just limited what MAX actually does - less =
visibility=20
than 31, less trees,<BR>less hills,<BR>lower rez textures etc =
etc). Then=20
everyone could say "I have it set to MAX<BR>everything and =
it still=20
runs fast!".<BR><BR>Oh well.<BR><BR>Anyway, 25-30 fps on =
your=20
system is about right (but 10 other apps<BR>running?).<BR><BR>I =
see=20
30-40fps on a similar setup (P6-200) with 64megs RAM and with=20
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by **Michael Youn** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

The magic ingredient missing is the Monster3D. Get one, if you're serious
into ***. At less than $150 retail, it should top everything else on your
Christmas gift list. My 200 MHz MMX with M3D cranks around 32 fps without
off-track objects. My old P5-90 with Hercules Voodoo Rush is "hobbling"
along at 22 fps.

Michael.
Then maybe you can help my trouble. I have a 233MMX P55C,32 MB's
SDRam, Diamond Sleath 3d 3000 Profesional Edition, Sound Blaster 64 Gold,
512 Pipeline burst, Ultra DMA Western Digital 6.4 GB hard disk, and 24bit
color depth. I am running the Demo version until Christmas or My
Birthday(12/12). And I can't get a frame rate better then 15fps. The lowest
I get is 8fps. And I don't have a clue on what the error might be. I want to
be able to run at least 20fps min. I know my system can. Any help would be
greatly appreciated.

by **CART Te** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

As most people on this NG know, we have continually been asking for
constructive criticism
and have received a lot - the upcoming patch will reflect much of it.

But you do not have to look very far to see the "XYZ SUCKS!" brigade out in
force in r.a.s.

These, I understand, were the "NASCAR2 SUCKS!" brigade last year.

And "GP2 SUCKS!" before that.

I am sure you get my drift.

We are committed to making cpr a great sim.

I hope you'll agree our actions, so far, are consistent with that (we're
still here on ras!).

The patch will be released soon.

We will also have free CPR editors soon.

Make us feel like the work we are doing is appreciated.

Please, ras, work with us, not against us.

Someone asked why the "other" publishers do not frequent these forums as
often
as they would like and listen to the issues.

I wonder why?

>On Sat, 15 Nov 1997 08:12:32 -0800, "David Radecki"

>>Yeah it amazes me that so many people are slamming CPR and singing the
>>praises of N2, GP2, and ICR2 when some of the same people were slamming
>>these same products. Don't get me wrong I think these are great products,
I
>>just find it ironic.

>Who's "slamming"? Haven't you heard of constructive criticism?

>My favourite restaurant is arguably the best in Edinburgh, if not
>Scotland. When you are asked "How was your meal" you are very politely
>requested to give something more constructive than "lovely", or "fine
>thanks". The chef knows that nothing he creates is perfect, and saying
>something is "good" or "bad" tells him next to nothing. Perhaps that
>could be the reason the restaurant is so good?

>Most of the posts I've seen go into great detail about what is wrong
>with CPR, and this information is _very_ useful for TRI and Microsoft
>(in fact they should have looked into that early in the development
>process and certainly before release, but let's not get into that).
>When the patch and/or the next version arrive and they're much
>improved it will be thise people who are "slamming" that you have to
>thank, for pointing out where attention is required.

>Cheers!
>John
>.

by **CART Te** » Sun, 16 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Thanks Don.

While actions DO speak louder than words, our words (and time) are the most
helpful thing
we can provide right now, with our actions (editors and patch) following up
quickly behind.

I run Microsoft's sim businesses and I intend CPR to quickly become the most
customer-focused
racing sim available.

And r.a.s. feedback is integral to making this happen.

We are making a good start in the racing category and we (MS and TRI) will
push the quality bar
as far and as fast as we can.

p.s. MTM fans are not getting neglected either. News on this series soon!

>Dean, while I am a huge Nascar and Papyrus fan, I will say I have been
>impressed by your participation and observations in this newsgroup. I did
>download the demo, and wrote a brief report here on my experiences with it.
>I gave both posititive and negatitive critisism. Obviously, you guys care
>about the product and listening to what others have to say about it. I
>think most folks here appreciate that!
>--
>Don Burnette
>Music City Racing

>> As most people on this NG know, we have continually been asking for
>> constructive criticism
>> and have received a lot - the upcoming patch will reflect much of it.

>> But you do not have to look very far to see the "XYZ SUCKS!" brigade out
>in
>> force in r.a.s.

>> These, I understand, were the "NASCAR2 SUCKS!" brigade last year.

>> And "GP2 SUCKS!" before that.

>> I am sure you get my drift.

>snip snip
>.

by **Andre Min** » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Hi Dean...

Been watching most all the posts on RAS about CPR. Can't speak for all,
but as for my part, I take the "extreme" (+ or - ) posts with a
considerable dose of salt. In the final analasys, I will be the one to
make up my own mind about the sim after it's full release, and after I
OWN a copy myself. I will then try it, tweak it, and make a
determination. If it's good... it's a keeper, and I'll race it. If
not... to the shelf it goes, and hey... it's not the end of the world!
(Where it would join some of my other self-decided "duds" that I've
bought over the years.)

Anyway, framerate question: I've seen several making mention of their
systems and the framerates they get. So, to sort of get an idea before
purchase (and I will purchase it), here's my basics... what do you think
I can expect in the way of performance with a fair amount of "eye
candy"? (I'm spoiled.)

P233MMX; 32 Meg 10n SDRAM; S3 vid chip w/4meg, SB awe64; T2 control.

Not meant to be a slam, only a point of reference, but I can run any
graphic + full field on any of Papy's, and all features on GP2 (except
good 'ol Monaco, there I drop the graphic levels one notch.). Smoooth on
the above... so with CPR... whad'ya think? Huh? Huh?...

Andre
O.F. Racing

by Jo » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

OK, I see your point then.

Joe

by Jo » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

FWIW I must admit I am very impressed by this customer-focused
attitude.

Joe

by **HNicol** » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

I think 50 fps was a bit of a stretch don't you think? I have a Dell PII
266 mhz w/ 4 mb Millenium and the only time I can get 50 fps consistantly
is with resolution at 320x200 and everything off. Without computer cars it
does go beyond 50 fps though...but again, only with the lowest resolution.
I've never been beyond 30 fps with resolution set to 640x480. Hope this helps.
JC

by **CART Te** » Mon, 17 Nov 1997 04:00:00

Where is the 3dfx card? That was included in the systems I described.

PII 266 with 3dfx = 45-55 fps

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