rec.autos.simulators

I'd agree that GP4 is totally lacking in physics and the Ratbag games aren't
that flash either.  SCGT is getting far too old now as well.  The other sims
you listed though are all top notch if you know what you're doing.

Judging by your fear of Starforce, I'm guessing you're not prepared to step
outside of your comfort zone.  I'd highly recommend it though...

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The brake pressure and bias settings are much more in depth than Papy's
simplistic braking model
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Elaborate please.  Not talking about the setup choices.

Thx - SB

***ia International Raceway?  I'd bet the speedway barely sees any
action besides oval races.  What's with American's love affair with the
"I" word?

The IROC barely has any international starts: only drivers from NASCAR,
IRL, and other oval series in the states.

Yet the ROC that just took place in Paris was heavily european and had
drivers from various disciplines and countries, and included Gordon and
Pastrana (who incidentaly seems to crash a whole lot -- between Rally
America and the Porsche Super Cup this summer at Indy).  Yet no
"International" prefix in the name.  No 'nations cup' angle.

Just a rant that simmered up in my head this past weekend...

cheers

steve

Yeah, what with VIR being just another cookie-cutter 1.5 mile speedway
and all. ;-)

-jde

World Series Cricket is far different.  It has lots of countries competing
against each other...Australia, England, New Zealand, India, Pakistan, Sri
Lanka, West Indies, South Africa etc.

It's all to do with the way grip and momentum is taken into account during
braking.  The suspension loading has a marked effect on grip and hence
braking effect.

Aside from that, most people have no problems braking in either sims so
anyone who does is doing something wrong - again a sign that our friend has
dismissed anything non-papy prematurely.

More the opposite.  VIR is an historical track in the US that was redone
completely half a decade ago.  It's an incredible club-style track, with
elevation changes and all.  It's a perfectly fitted track for cars like the
Skip Barber ones.  I would love to race those type of cars, say a 30-driver
multiplayer race, with the latest papy version of their game engine.  'Cause
in a way I'm still calling it the Papy game engine, there's 10+ years of
coding in that from them.

"Internets" ?

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As far as feel goes, I don't have any complaints about the braking in GTR
either, but plenty of folks have had issues with GTR's low-speed grip.  That
may be what's being interpreted as a braking issue.  All pre-rFactor
ISI-based sims have had it to some degree, but it was especially the case
with GTR and it's washboard-like chattering suspension.  Simbin have sorted
the low-speed grip issues with GTL, which behaves much better in low speed
situations.  With regard to suspension loading and braking grip, it could
just be the car type, as that's behavior which is highly dependent on the
ratio of downforce to vehicle weight.  A lighter GT car with more downforce
will brake much harder, with a lot more bite than a heavy, relatively
under-tired Cup car.  And it will be less weight shift sensitive at moderate
to high speeds, since the aero effect on tire loading is still ***.
But as speed scrubs, the downforce goes away and so does the grip, which can
catch you out if you're not expecting it.  Anyone not used to braking in an
aero car has to adjust to the mash it, then ease off style of braking, which
is sort of backwards from the way you would do it in a more softly sprung,
non aero car.

SB

dave henrie

I believe that if you investigate this, you will find it is
another Urban Myth. The World Series was *not*, in fact, sponsered
by a "XXX World" newspaper.

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  Darryl

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