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GP3 rant....

Matthew Birger Knutse

GP3 rant....

by Matthew Birger Knutse » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Well, GP3 may or may not look good enough, etc, etc, but there is one
thing that will make me NOT dish out the required $ : no internet play.
I love GPL, but must confess, I never race the AI, and haven't done so
since I discovered vroc. No matter how good the AI are, they make for a
lousy post-race chat, and they won't show up at race meets and have a
pint in the company of others. It does not surprise me at all if the
reason for this is the greed of a certain governing body/man. All I can
say is: yuk. Make us a F3000 or CART carset/patch Geoff, so we can race
each other for real :-)

Matt

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David G Fishe

GP3 rant....

by David G Fishe » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I'm really hoping that the info we've received so far regarding internet
play is just incomplete. I want this sim, with at least 8 player TCP/IP
internet play, very badly. Microprose is making GP500 playable at the MS
*** Zone, and I was imagining that GP3 would at least have something
similiar.

David G Fisher



Douglas Elliso

GP3 rant....

by Douglas Elliso » Thu, 09 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Of couse it's going to have web & net multiplayer facilities.  To not do so
would be STUPID - D'YA HERE ME IN CHIPPING SODBURY (Home of Microprose, and
they could probably here me from my Tetbury Home) STUPID
Doug


>I'm really hoping that the info we've received so far regarding internet
>play is just incomplete. I want this sim, with at least 8 player TCP/IP
>internet play, very badly. Microprose is making GP500 playable at the MS
>*** Zone, and I was imagining that GP3 would at least have something
>similiar.

>David G Fisher



>> Well, GP3 may or may not look good enough, etc, etc, but there is one
>> thing that will make me NOT dish out the required $ : no internet play.
>> I love GPL, but must confess, I never race the AI, and haven't done so
>> since I discovered vroc. No matter how good the AI are, they make for a
>> lousy post-race chat, and they won't show up at race meets and have a
>> pint in the company of others. It does not surprise me at all if the
>> reason for this is the greed of a certain governing body/man. All I can
>> say is: yuk. Make us a F3000 or CART carset/patch Geoff, so we can race
>> each other for real :-)

>> Matt

>> --
>> ---------------------------------
>> Matthew B. Knutsen

>> The GPL Preservation Society:
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

>> -- GPLEA Member --

Mark Seer

GP3 rant....

by Mark Seer » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I hate to cast shadows of doom on this one but I have heard wind that a
certain Mr ecclestone will not allow internet play without more licencing
negotiations.

Mark

> Of couse it's going to have web & net multiplayer facilities.  To not do
so
> would be STUPID - D'YA HERE ME IN CHIPPING SODBURY (Home of Microprose,
and
> they could probably here me from my Tetbury Home) STUPID
> Doug



> >I'm really hoping that the info we've received so far regarding internet
> >play is just incomplete. I want this sim, with at least 8 player TCP/IP
> >internet play, very badly. Microprose is making GP500 playable at the MS
> >*** Zone, and I was imagining that GP3 would at least have something
> >similiar.

> >David G Fisher



> >> Well, GP3 may or may not look good enough, etc, etc, but there is one
> >> thing that will make me NOT dish out the required $ : no internet play.
> >> I love GPL, but must confess, I never race the AI, and haven't done so
> >> since I discovered vroc. No matter how good the AI are, they make for a
> >> lousy post-race chat, and they won't show up at race meets and have a
> >> pint in the company of others. It does not surprise me at all if the
> >> reason for this is the greed of a certain governing body/man. All I can
> >> say is: yuk. Make us a F3000 or CART carset/patch Geoff, so we can race
> >> each other for real :-)

> >> Matt

> >> --
> >> ---------------------------------
> >> Matthew B. Knutsen

> >> The GPL Preservation Society:
> >> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> >> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> >> -- GPLEA Member --

Bruce Kennewel

GP3 rant....

by Bruce Kennewel » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I have also heard the same thing, Mark.
It would appear that Hasbro may have to cough up some very serious money
indeed if this is true.


> I hate to cast shadows of doom on this one but I have heard wind that a
> certain Mr ecclestone will not allow internet play without more licencing
> negotiations.

> Mark


> > Of couse it's going to have web & net multiplayer facilities.  To not do
> so
> > would be STUPID - D'YA HERE ME IN CHIPPING SODBURY (Home of Microprose,
> and
> > they could probably here me from my Tetbury Home) STUPID
> > Doug



> > >I'm really hoping that the info we've received so far regarding
internet
> > >play is just incomplete. I want this sim, with at least 8 player TCP/IP
> > >internet play, very badly. Microprose is making GP500 playable at the
MS
> > >*** Zone, and I was imagining that GP3 would at least have something
> > >similiar.

> > >David G Fisher



> > >> Well, GP3 may or may not look good enough, etc, etc, but there is one
> > >> thing that will make me NOT dish out the required $ : no internet
play.
> > >> I love GPL, but must confess, I never race the AI, and haven't done
so
> > >> since I discovered vroc. No matter how good the AI are, they make for
a
> > >> lousy post-race chat, and they won't show up at race meets and have a
> > >> pint in the company of others. It does not surprise me at all if the
> > >> reason for this is the greed of a certain governing body/man. All I
can
> > >> say is: yuk. Make us a F3000 or CART carset/patch Geoff, so we can
race
> > >> each other for real :-)

> > >> Matt

> > >> --
> > >> ---------------------------------
> > >> Matthew B. Knutsen

> > >> The GPL Preservation Society:
> > >> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > >> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> > >> -- GPLEA Member --

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Tuff

GP3 rant....

by Tuff » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Couldn't someone just kill that bastard.. Like he didn't have enough
$$$ already???

Uwe Schuerka

GP3 rant....

by Uwe Schuerka » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00


Just to get things straight, let's not hope that that thing is
dependent any more on MS ***than it needs to. Most of the stuff
at the MS *** zone can be played without connecting there first,
so I hope gp3 will feature a real tcp/ip server mode just like
gpl does. I'd hate to see them rely on IPX as a LAN protocol (which
is already starting to smell funny) or some even crappier stuff that
MS manage to come up with.

Oh, did I mention a Linux port would be nice? ;-)

Regards,

Uwe

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Uwe Schuerka

GP3 rant....

by Uwe Schuerka » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>I hate to cast shadows of doom on this one but I have heard wind that a
>certain Mr ecclestone will not allow internet play without more licencing
>negotiations.

Bash MGPRS2 as much as you like, but this is one thing they did right. There
are so many brilliant people out there, reverse engineering your gfx format
in an afternoons work, that I just do not understand why software companies
don't take advantage of that right away like UbiSoft did with their editors.

Don't these people use the internet? Have they ever taken a look at the most
excellent stuff available at www.gp2.com and so on? Why do they *want* to
make life hard for those programmers? Just document the gfx and track
format, release some editors (which have to be available in-house anyway)
with the game and give the ugly dwarf name Ecclestone the finger.

With all the stuff already out there (carsets, setups etc.) it might be
easiest to ship a converter with the finished game that converts your
gp2 carsets to gp3.

Regards,

Uwe

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Jo Hels

GP3 rant....

by Jo Hels » Sat, 11 Sep 1999 04:00:00



Rather idealistic.. Sure it would be better for us, but still the majority of
racing sim customers doesn't "link" to the Internet like the typical R.A.S
reader. At the moment it would seriously sink sales I guess... So it will never
be more than a way to evade licensing because of lack of financial resources.

There's always hope, though. I for one hope that GP3 will be a little bit
transparant in this aspect (people keep telling how "customisable" GP2 is, but
they forget that it wasn't supposed to be AT ALL. Some great hackers spent all
their evenings finding out the details)

JoH
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Uwe Schuerka

GP3 rant....

by Uwe Schuerka » Sun, 12 Sep 1999 04:00:00


>Rather idealistic.. Sure it would be better for us, but still the majority of
>racing sim customers doesn't "link" to the Internet like the typical R.A.S
>reader. At the moment it would seriously sink sales I guess... So it will never

Hmm, I don't know... I mean, racing sim customers are a competitive bunch,
and I would think the desire to get in contact with other *freaks* sharing
the passion of sitting in front of the tube for hours on end turning a
*** wheel in their hands and working the pedals below the desk like mad
(this behaviour is certainly *not* common in my neighbourhood ;-) is
rather strong (after all, this is how you and I got here in the first
place).

My guess is that a rather high percentage of simracing enthusiasts are
connected to the net... just check on your friends sharing the hobby,
how many of them do have internet access? I know two others in my
town, and both of them skim the net regularly for updates, patches
and VROC fun.

Correct. Any company ignoring this simple fact is bound to repeat
the same error over and over again. This is the one thing UbiSoft did
right with MGPRS2.

cheers, uwe

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Jo Hels

GP3 rant....

by Jo Hels » Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:00:00




>>Rather idealistic.. Sure it would be better for us, but still the majority of
>>racing sim customers doesn't "link" to the Internet like the typical R.A.S
>>reader. At the moment it would seriously sink sales I guess... So it will never

>Hmm, I don't know... I mean, racing sim customers are a competitive bunch,
>and I would think the desire to get in contact with other *freaks* sharing
>the passion of sitting in front of the tube for hours on end turning a
>*** wheel in their hands and working the pedals below the desk like mad
>(this behaviour is certainly *not* common in my neighbourhood ;-) is
>rather strong (after all, this is how you and I got here in the first
>place).

>My guess is that a rather high percentage of simracing enthusiasts are
>connected to the net... just check on your friends sharing the hobby,
>how many of them do have internet access? I know two others in my
>town, and both of them skim the net regularly for updates, patches
>and VROC fun.

That still doesn't represent a meanigful part of the market. And they probably
do because you informed them?

Still, we don't quite know what future the Internet will bring us. It could just
be a case of waiting another few years.

Oh, I would give $$$ to know whether King Crammond is aware of what's going on
around sims on the Net, and what his position is.

Even if his attitude towards it is positive, there could be other problems. Like
that rich old dwarf, who probably doesn't like it that too many people are
driving a variety of contemporary and historical tracks WITHOUT A LICENSE (can
you say "blasphemy" <G>) At the moment it's not important enough to seriously
battle this evolution, but things could change rapidly. Like, no Internet play
promised for GP3. Why's that???

Creating existing carsets and circuits could become illegal at the blink of an
eye.

Agreed.

This is indeed a great opportunity, and I sure hope they notice it!

cheers!

JoH
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Christer Andersso

GP3 rant....

by Christer Andersso » Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Totally agree, AI can never beat the real thing. I'd rather drive an
Formula Ford sim online than an F1 sim offline.

/Christer, competes in three GPL online leagues


> Well, GP3 may or may not look good enough, etc, etc, but there is one
> thing that will make me NOT dish out the required $ : no internet play.
> I love GPL, but must confess, I never race the AI, and haven't done so
> since I discovered vroc. No matter how good the AI are, they make for a
> lousy post-race chat, and they won't show up at race meets and have a
> pint in the company of others. It does not surprise me at all if the
> reason for this is the greed of a certain governing body/man. All I can
> say is: yuk. Make us a F3000 or CART carset/patch Geoff, so we can race
> each other for real :-)

> Matt

> --
> ---------------------------------
> Matthew B. Knutsen

> The GPL Preservation Society:
> http://www.gpl.electra.no
> http://www.KOTR.de/GPL

> -- GPLEA Member --

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Beeler

GP3 rant....

by Beeler » Mon, 13 Sep 1999 04:00:00

Agreed, Bernie should be shot!!!!

Bob B.

Meij

GP3 rant....

by Meij » Wed, 15 Sep 1999 04:00:00

F1 licensing is strange insomuch that *everything* has to be licensed. You
can't say "We want an F1 license" and then do what you want, you're told
how much this will cost and how much that will cost and then you decide.
Apparently FIFA is a dream to work with compared to FOCA.

M


Phillip McNell

GP3 rant....

by Phillip McNell » Wed, 29 Sep 1999 04:00:00

I have to agree.  I loved GP2. Did a huge web site dedicated to it.
Spent probably thousands of hours on it.

But since GPL with online play has come out I don't do GP2 at all.
Nothing is as good as driving with real people. If GP3 does not have
internet play then for the first time ever, I believe I won't bother
buying a GC racing sim.( Never thought I would say this ). I'll stick
with GPL. Enough of my friends will buy it for me to satisfy my
curiousity but that will be it.

And 4 cars online won't cut it either. ATM I can race in cars that are
heaps of fun to drive with 18 other drivers online. Call me spoilt but
that's the state of the art and anything less will be a let down.

Phillip McNelley

On Wed, 08 Sep 1999 18:05:27 +0200, Matthew Birger Knutsen


>Well, GP3 may or may not look good enough, etc, etc, but there is one
>thing that will make me NOT dish out the required $ : no internet play.
>I love GPL, but must confess, I never race the AI, and haven't done so
>since I discovered vroc. No matter how good the AI are, they make for a
>lousy post-race chat, and they won't show up at race meets and have a
>pint in the company of others. It does not surprise me at all if the
>reason for this is the greed of a certain governing body/man. All I can
>say is: yuk. Make us a F3000 or CART carset/patch Geoff, so we can race
>each other for real :-)

>Matt

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>The GPL Preservation Society:
>http://www.gpl.electra.no
>http://www.KOTR.de/GPL

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