rec.autos.simulators

> Wait..... now that I re-read what I typed, I'm more confused.  Forget I
said
> anything.  :-)

> > > yes, it's too bad [most of us auto-simmers?] don't get all hot and
> > bothered
> > > over non-cockpit views.  I know I certainly don't.
> >   Speak for yourself....when a NEW title, one that hasn't been seen
> > before(i.e. NOT a GP 3 or 4 but say Rally Trophy),  The very first
screen
> > shot I want to see is a***pit view.    Why?  Glad I asked....:)
> >  1)  Outside replay views often are 'glitzier' than actual ingame
> > shots...Watch those TV commercials for console sports games...do you see
> > actual gameplay when they display Madden 2002?  Do we see ingame action
> from
> > the latest NBA title, or hockey?  NOPE...we see replays which often run
at
> a
> > higher resolution than actual gameplay.  Thus, outside views MAY be used
> to
> > mislead the buying public.
> >  2)  Games that don't have***pit views in early screenshots often are
> > titles that have, in the past, been heavily weighted toward arcade
values,
> > so I am leary of companies that DON'T show incar views.
> >   3)  If there are no in-car***pit views, this may indicate they
> > programmers have not attempted to really simulate the vehicle in
question.
> > By that I mean feedback from a***pit often means the whole car is
> modeled,
> > not just a visible nose that will magically dip down everytime I press
the
> > brake pedal.  I look for***pit shots to verify that the programmers
are
> > TRYING to implement code that will  help with the immersion factor
rather
> > than ellicit ooohhhs and aaaahhhhs over the pretty sunsets.
> >   4)  I'm not buying a racing simulation that simulates Kite Flying
above
> > and behind the car.  If I buy a racing title, it's to at least at SOME
> > level, to experience what racing a real life car is like...I haven't, at
> > least in 40+ years, found a car that is controled while floating behind
> > it....
> > There is no technical defense for this last reason, it is based purely
on
> my
> > subjective knowledge of what I perceive to be 'right' and 'wrong'   I'm
> sure
> > there are some titles that have very good driving
> > experiences/physics/simulation that don't have a***pit view....but
they
> > don't have my $$ either.
> > dave henrie

> > Wait..... now that I re-read what I typed, I'm more confused.  Forget I
> said
> > anything.  :-)

> Andre

> >Ruud, and others, what's your take on this? Is the multiplayer stuff that
> >hard?

> > On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 21:45:07 GMT, "Rob Adams"

> > I am convinced the deadline reason is the correct one. I think
> > multiplayer needs a LOT of time and even more a LOT of testing before
> > it's really good. And since most people buy racing games even if it
> > has no multiplayer, I can see the reason why developers don't put too
> > much time in it. F1 2001 was allready released in beta-stage, no way
> > they had time to spend on multiplayer.
> > The FIA explanation is such a nice excuse.

> > Andre

> > >Ruud, and others, what's your take on this? Is the multiplayer stuff
that
> > >hard?

> I don't know why you think it's so hard. Papyrus has only now gotten their
> tire model right (at least that's what people seem to be saying with
N2002).
> They still haven't been able to put in a save race feature. They got the
> multiplayer right a long time ago so it obviously isn't the hardest thing
> for them to do. Why would it be the hardest thing for other developers?

> Five years ago, I could race eight player races all night either hosting
or
> joining races hosted by a 33.6 modem with people from all over the world.
> Why wouldn't they be able to move up to 15 or even 22 by now unless
> something was preventing them?

> David G Fisher