rec.autos.simulators

by **Ashley McConnel** » Fri, 02 Nov 2001 18:42:22

I REALLY don't think thats the point....it shows the extra time he has to
play with each frame

and I as a programmer know he is just showing off :P

Ash - must get one of these new-fangled GF3's :)

by **Ruud van Ga** » Fri, 02 Nov 2001 20:06:06

On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:42:22 -0000, "Ashley McConnell"

>|
>| > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:10:57 -0000, "Ashley McConnell"

>| >
>| > >200fps! :) - ***y showoffs :P
>| >
>| > Lol, only in my own game though with a GF3 and PII400 on Carrera, so
>| > surely 300fps should be possible. ;-)
>|
>| Don't really matter if your monitor has a refresh-rate of 100fps.
>| --
>| -asbjxrn

>I REALLY don't think thats the point....it shows the extra time he has to
>play with each frame

Indeed. Pixels yet to burn.

Lol. :)
You can ofcourse always make a track with fewer triangles and get a
higher FPS rate that way. On F12K's Monza, I go down to 50fps or
worse; it's all collision detection that's the problem (which will
have a major rewrite in the future).

They're fun. :) But a bit bad for your programming; there's no feeling
that you need to optimize if you see 100fps.

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim : http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Pencil art : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Fri, 02 Nov 2001 23:56:45

> On Thu, 1 Nov 2001 09:42:22 -0000, "Ashley McConnell"

> >|
> >| > On Wed, 31 Oct 2001 15:10:57 -0000, "Ashley McConnell"

> >| >
> >| > >200fps! :) - ***y showoffs :P
> >| >
> >| > Lol, only in my own game though with a GF3 and PII400 on Carrera, so
> >| > surely 300fps should be possible. ;-)
> >|
> >| Don't really matter if your monitor has a refresh-rate of 100fps.
> >| --
> >| -asbjxrn

> >I REALLY don't think thats the point....it shows the extra time he has to
> >play with each frame

> Indeed. Pixels yet to burn.

> >and I as a programmer know he is just showing off :P

> Lol. :)
> You can ofcourse always make a track with fewer triangles and get a
> higher FPS rate that way.

heyhey! I want to compete too!

drew 49077 frames in 7 seconds => 7011 FPS

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by **Joe Marque** » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 07:53:15

What was I thinking? I meant GT3 60 fps.

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> >No, consoles generally have more consistentl framerates (and usually
pretty
> >damn high fps) given the standard hardware config. I've never had a
console
> >game drop into the 15-20 fps range.

> I've played lots of Playstation games which dip even below that.

> >GT3 60+.

> Hardly "over 60 fps" considering the TV refresh rate...

by **Joe6** » Sat, 03 Nov 2001 10:13:05

It does slow occaisonally. What saves it is excelent controller
programming - the frame-rate dips somehow don't seem to affect control
the way it usually does in deiving games. Maybe they are giving more
priority to the physics code (than the graphics) or something?

by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Wed, 07 Nov 2001 07:49:21

> GPL only runs at 36fps, does the extra 6fps make *THAT* much difference ? Or
> is GPL unplayable too ?

it is for me, but I don't think it's becauuse of the framerate. :D

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by **Spadge Fromle** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 20:53:19

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that basically unforgiveable in a
console-only game? It's not like they have the excuse: "your PS2 is
under-powered, get a better gfx card". That's supposed to be the
advantage consoles have over PCs isn't it? Everyone has the same
hardware, and that makes it a lot easier for coders to make a game
that runs perfectly out of the box.

And having read through some replies to this thread, I'd like to know
who measures the FPS on a PS2 (and how), and how they get 60+ on a
50hz TV etc. Maybe I'm missing something here, as I'm no console
expert.

Not that I'm dissing anyone's consoles, games or enjoyment of both.

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and in my belly it will go ...''

by **Ruud van Ga** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:48:44

On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 12:53:19 +0100, Spadge Fromley

>>Occasionally the framerate dips a bit, but nothing that affects car
>>control, so it's a fair trade off against everything that's going on.

>Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that basically unforgiveable in a
>console-only game? It's not like they have the excuse: "your PS2 is
>under-powered, get a better gfx card". That's supposed to be the
>advantage consoles have over PCs isn't it? Everyone has the same
>hardware, and that makes it a lot easier for coders to make a game
>that runs perfectly out of the box.

Well, that's put a bit harsh. Given a 3D game, it's not controllable
anymore whether a certain viewpoint or certain collision situation
fits into a 50 or 60Hz timeframe. Making absolutely sure that it is
always reached means having to half your reachable performance, and
even then...
I wouldn't say a PS2 game that occasionaly skips a frame (it's
probably vsynced) is not perfect. If you've ever seen what a collision
matrix equation looks like, you certainly know that if you are a
developer, you'll never be able to guarantee framerates anymore.

The 60+ was pulled back a post later. But 60, yes. NTSC does 10 more
than we do (but oh oh, you have to give in on the color side hehe).

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Spadge Fromle** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 22:12:36

Never Twice the Same Colour?

:-)

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by **Gunnar Horrigm** » Fri, 09 Nov 2001 23:51:28

> >The 60+ was pulled back a post later. But 60, yes. NTSC does 10 more
> >than we do (but oh oh, you have to give in on the color side hehe).

> Never Twice the Same Colour?

and Picture Always Louse.

don't remember what SECAM expands too.

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by **Ruud van Ga** » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 01:59:11

On Thu, 08 Nov 2001 14:12:36 +0100, Spadge Fromley

>>The 60+ was pulled back a post later. But 60, yes. NTSC does 10 more
>>than we do (but oh oh, you have to give in on the color side hehe).

>Never Twice the Same Colour?

Yes, although I always learned it without the 'twice' (where 'The'
takes its place). :)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/racer/
Pencil art : http://www.marketgraph.nl/gallery/

by **Ruud van Ga** » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 02:06:02

>> >The 60+ was pulled back a post later. But 60, yes. NTSC does 10 more
>> >than we do (but oh oh, you have to give in on the color side hehe).

>> Never Twice the Same Colour?

>and Picture Always Louse.

But in real life, isn't NTSC the unimaginative National Television
Standards Committee, and PAL the Star-Trek-sounding Phase(r)
Alternating Line? ;-)

Saturday Evenings ***And Movies?

Sorry, haven't got more creativity at the moment. :)

Ruud van Gaal
Free car sim : http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Pencil art : http://www.racesimcentral.net/

by **Spadge Fromle** » Sat, 10 Nov 2001 03:58:43

Specifically Engineered Contrary to the American Method

:-)

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