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RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

John Simmon

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by John Simmon » Mon, 03 Mar 2003 23:11:59


says...

I use the straights to check the live interval. For the turns, I
concentrate on spinning the car artfully.

JJ

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by JJ » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 01:33:18

I figured out what Dave and me did wrong at that final yellow.
It appears we both took the yellow in the pits and when we exited we stayed
behind the pace-car. At that point we were 2nd and 3rd behind the pace-car,
but our time read something like 1:33 with 10th and 11th place.

My guess is that we should have passed the pace-car right away instead of
waiting for the final lap. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that during
the final yellow lap you're not allowed to pass the pace-car anymore.

Oh well, always things to learn.:)

Apart from this I had a fine race, enjoyed racing you guys again.

Cheers, jurjen

Joe Saxo

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Joe Saxo » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 02:17:25

To be honest I was pissed until I looked at the replay. I thought you ran
into me while trying to pass, but I was the one who went off line and went
for the low line. I just wish I would have gotten an "inside" from my
squatter. Gotta love those replays, "oh man, it WAS my fault!!"

Joe


Bamada

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Bamada » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 03:13:59

I know. I saw the "nice" that you typed. Something we all had to learn...watch
the replay before hollering. We can always *** here later :) Now if this
would spread to Papy.....RIGHT !!!!!
Dan

Jan Verschuere

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 03:21:42

Turn it off. It's way out of your line of sight, checking that has got to be
slowing you down. Besides what extra information to you get from it? You
don't need a number to tell you someone's getting closer in the mirror.

I can see the use for getting used to leaving a proper gap when pacing or,
as you suggested, make sure you hold your relative position when it's hard
to see the other competitors due to lateral separation, but that's about it.
You can spot Tim carving up the field a mile away on some tracks. ;-))

I don't think I have enough to spare either (3). Hmmm, gotta fix this... I'm
"stretched" too much hunting around for all these damned keys. With gloves
on to boot!

Jan.
=---

Mitch_

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Mitch_ » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 03:25:43

Grub/Larry, Do you use the TM software?  It's been a couple years since I
used the PD2 but IIRC it didn't support dual axis pedals in XP.  Check the
TM site and see if they did actually ever release the XP software (if you
are running XP that is).  That AFAIK is the only way to use more than the
standard 4DX buttons on your wheel..

I cant imagine not having the F2 screen up as I race.

Mitch

Tim

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Tim » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 03:55:02

I simply cannot imagine racing online without having the F2 screen pernamently embedded on my screen.  I toggle the other screens,
particularly F1, F3, but it goes right back to F2.  Wouldn't leave home without it.  Heck if your paying any attention to your
gauges (kinda like real racers do) what is the difference with the F2?

Oh and my spotter calls out lap times too.

:)

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com

Tim

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Tim » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 03:58:21

There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the
inside.  Clearly this is not a WC rule, and you should be allow to stay on the outside line.  Hopefully this will be fixed in some
future patch.  I have noticed several bugs with the spotter in offline racing with the AI so its not just us.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


> I figured out what Dave and me did wrong at that final yellow.
> It appears we both took the yellow in the pits and when we exited we stayed
> behind the pace-car. At that point we were 2nd and 3rd behind the pace-car,
> but our time read something like 1:33 with 10th and 11th place.

> My guess is that we should have passed the pace-car right away instead of
> waiting for the final lap. Correct me if I'm wrong but I think that during
> the final yellow lap you're not allowed to pass the pace-car anymore.

> Oh well, always things to learn.:)

> Apart from this I had a fine race, enjoyed racing you guys again.

> Cheers, jurjen

Jle

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Jle » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 04:10:17



Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the leader,
both in the same lap?

Tim

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Tim » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 04:16:32

Your kind with the compliment Jan, but really, the F2 screen is a tremendous value for everyone, mostly when when you are racing
long runs.

You can tell where you are better, or worse, on the track than someone else. (Early on, I could see where Brian and Mitch would gain
in one turn, and loose it in the other).  If you just set it at S/F track position you won't know where your losing or gaining on
the track, especially when there is braking involved.
You can tell who in front of you and behind you are the ones you are racing with, versus someone comming up on you who may be a lap+
down, so don't sweat it if they are aggressive and want to get by, let em go.
You can tell if your gaining on someone, or they are gaining on you, so change your line, pick it up, etc.

Saturday, Ginger was running me down on that last run.  I knew I wasn't driving any different so I was hoping he was cooking his
tires, which it turned out he was.  But I didn't know that for sure, and since G wasn't around me all day; coming from the back, I
had no way of knowing.  So while I was fairly confident I knew what I was doing, I wasn't confident that I was any better than him.
The F2 screen allowed me to measure my effort, with how many laps left, and how much I had to push my car to not let him whiff a
draft.  If we caught a late caution, I wanted to make sure I had at least as good a tire wear left as he, hopefully better.  The
only way I could do this is using the F2 screen to only work my car as hard as I needed to.

I've heard of a lot of people not liking all the activity the F2 screen gives you.  With some hardware it even has an extra hit on
your frame rate.  But the spotter isn't doing what real life crew chiefs do for you which is calling out someone elses lap times,
telling you if someone is gaining, or if your the fastest out there, etc.  The F2 screen is the sims answer to that.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com


> "EldredP" wrote...
> > > <snip>
> > Ok.  I leave mine on the F2 screen, because I always have to
> > worry about who's lapping me, or just catching me after a
> > restart.

> Turn it off. It's way out of your line of sight, checking that has got to be
> slowing you down. Besides what extra information to you get from it? You
> don't need a number to tell you someone's getting closer in the mirror.

> I can see the use for getting used to leaving a proper gap when pacing or,
> as you suggested, make sure you hold your relative position when it's hard
> to see the other competitors due to lateral separation, but that's about it.
> You can spot Tim carving up the field a mile away on some tracks. ;-))

> > > <snip>
> > I don't have any extra buttons... :-(

> I don't think I have enough to spare either (3). Hmmm, gotta fix this... I'm
> "stretched" too much hunting around for all these damned keys. With gloves
> on to boot!

> Jan.
> =---

Tim

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Tim » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 04:33:38

Yes.  It worked in earlier sims so I'm not sure what happened with N2003.

In real life, what can happen is your on the lead lap, the caution comes out and for whatever reason you elect not to pit.  The pace
car always picks up the leader. But then you all come around and every one from the leader back pits except for you (For whatever
reason your crew chief tells you to stay out).  But you (and maybe the pace car) don't manage to cross the S/F on the track before
the leaders pass it on pit row.  They come out but they are still scored as the leader but now they are behind you.

Another way is your down a lap, the caution comes out. When the leaders pit you pass them and now your back on the lead lap but when
the second lap comes around and the lapped cars can now pit you stay out.  Your still on the lead leap now because of them pitting
but your in front of them.  You can't pass the pace car after the track is under full caution so your on the lead lap, stuck between
the pace car and the leaders.

The WC rule about double file restarts is all cars on the lead lap stay on the outside, all cars down one or more laps go inside.
Although the pace car always picks up the leader, double file restarts have nothing to do with what position the leader is in.

There are a lot of other instances where this can happen these are just the most common.

--
Tim White
www.intracmotorsports.com




> > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the
> > lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the
> > inside.

> Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the leader,
> both in the same lap?

Mitch_

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Mitch_ » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 04:42:18

Jurgen, I think what happened to you guys is that when the yellow was first
thrown you guys were a few seconds back.  The lead group quickly caught up
to the pace car at T3-4 and the pits were closed on that pass by for
whatever reason, maybe cause the yellow came out just as the leaders came to
the flagstand?  You guys came in not knowing the lead pack had already
bypassed the pits that lap.  When I came into the pits it was madness.  I
couldnt figure out at the time what the heck was goin on.  All I know is
guys were comin out at a very unexpected moment for me :/

Is it me or is it nearly impossible to pit when the guy just in front of
your stall is in his pit.  I pulled in a little hot but had almost no
turning radius and had to squirm into my stall losing a bunch of spots at
the wrong time (32 to go).  I did make sure that the Low speed turning
radius thingy was checked.

Mitch




> > There is a bug in the N2003 s/w that, if your on the tail end of the
> > lead lap, but in front, the spotter tells you to line up on the
> > inside.

> Are you saying that it's possible to be lined up in front of the leader,
> both in the same lap?

Brian Oste

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Brian Oste » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 05:03:22

I do the same thing,  I allways have f2 up or readily available.  When
entering the pits under caution I keep one eye on the f2 screen to
make sure I don't pass the car in front of me... rather lose a
position on pit road then get a bf.

Brian



Brian Oste

RASCAR: Las Vegas Race

by Brian Oste » Tue, 04 Mar 2003 05:07:26



Actually, this all ways bugged me about N2002 and on at least one
occasion when racing off-line I was pleasantly surprised to see that
N2003 had me line up on the outside when I was on the tail-end of the
lead lap.

Brian Oster


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