Everyone can relax now. He's only upset because it's been over warez'd.
Everyone can relax now. He's only upset because it's been over warez'd.
Well what I thought was funny, was that no one should give a shit what
I think :-) It was fun seeing all of those warez people that were offended.
--
Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.
cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com
--DK
> Oh boo-hoo. Do you feel personally offended? Big freaking hairy
> deal.
> > I have never hid the fact I downloaded it, neither have I used any
device
> > other than anti-spam in posting about it to hide my identity. If EA want
> to
> > make an issue out of this, they know where to find me.
> Very *VERY* macho. Wow.
> > I did the right thing, however. I presented myself at my local software
> > store today. They hadn't received a copy of F1 2000 yet, so I had one
> > reserved for me.
> Good for you. My comments are for the aholes that were *not* doing
> that. Duh. I realize that english may not be your first language, but
> really.
> > In the mean time both the zips and the expanded version have been
securely
> > (i.e. irrevocably) erased from my system, the registry hack has been
> removed
> > as well.
> Big pat on the back for you.
> > I can not speak for everybody who downloaded the "ripped" version, but I
> > don't want to be called an *** on their behalf either.
> Ok already... I think you can calm down now.
> --
> Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.
> cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com
Hey Greg, get your panties out of your ass and worry about things you
CAN change.
Why is this bothering you so bad?
Prostitution has been around since the beginning of man and aint no
one found a way to stop that either.
- James "Gunslinger" Wohlever
Techware Computer Services
http://www.racesimcentral.net/
Send ATTACHMENTS (Files) to:
> > You people can go *** yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will
> > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6
> > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this warez
> > version instead." Right.
> > --
> > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming hordes.
> > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com
EXCELLENT!!
> > A sphincter says what?
> > > You people can go *** yourselves. Yeah, I'm sure everyone will
> > > pile out an get the game when it is released. "Oh wait, voodoo5/6
> > > isn't out yet, I'm not going to buy the game. I'll just play this
warez
> > > version instead." Right.
> > > --
> > > Header address intentionally scrambled to ward off the spamming
hordes.
> > > cisko [AT] ix [DOT] netcom [DOT] com
Jens
---------------------------------------------
Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address
JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/
Racing simulation, esp. GPL
Logitech Wingman FF optimization
Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor
Radio controlled airplanes
> It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native
> english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and
> argumented posts here on r.a.s. Yours will have a portion of my disk space
> forever. I'm going to save it and open it every time i feel too embarased to
> post here. It will show me that i shouldn't be too shy to post here just
> because i feel that my posts aren't carrying the desired idea because of the
> limitations in my knowledge of English language.
It seems that those of us who are not native speakers tend to articulate
things in as good a way as possible, while some of those on the 'other
side' tend to forget about such details. The same would probably go for
any other language apart from English. Have you checked any of our
Slovenian message boards? I did, once.
Yours was a well thought out post, but, unfortunately, I have to
disagree with your views. Piracy was something that was half legal in
the eighties in Slovenia and the rest of Yugoslavia, which is something
I am sure you remember well. Perhaps that is why I am more sensitive
about these issues now, especially since in my short life I have already
had a chance to produce something of intellectual value. Fortunately, in
science once you publish it's yours and noone can steal it from you, in
fact, if somene uses your idea and builds further on it it is just
towards your benefit. Unless they claim it was their original idea in
the first place, but this can fortunately be verified.
Back to software, then. The fact that a product is not out in Slovenia
yet is irrelevant. In fact, practically all releases that are out in the
UK are out in Slovenia usually only a week later. Sometimes the whole of
Europe has to wait, though, when it is an American release (the same
goes the other way around, too). But then you always have the option to
order overseas. Expensive shipping costs? Yes, perhaps, but this is more
than compensated by the low price of the products ordered this way. The
last software product I ordered form the States was Jane's F/A-18 which
arrived here about 10 days after the North American release, and was
actually cheaper (including post&packaging) than the one that appeared
on the shelves a few weeks later here. Not to mention that I hear the
European release has a lower quality material manual (i.e. no spiral
binding), but this is a completely different issue.
Trying out the product before you buy it? A point in case, perhaps, but
I can imagine that you may be given to try a partial version (a demo),
but using a full version without paying for it and without the consent
of the publisher is stealing intellectual property in my opinion,
especially at the point you are not testing the features anymore but
getting any benefits out of it (which, in games, is the entertainment
value). A car dealer may give you a test drive, but he will not give you
a car for a couple of weeks to test it and then return it if you are not
pleased with it, at least not the car dealers I know of.
The demo may not be out before release, though, if ever. Still, noone is
forcing you to buy the product the moment it hits the shelves. If you do
so, however, this is the risk you are willing to take, and it is like
that with all new products, not only software. But in my opinion one can
make a valid picture of what to expect from a product from the people
who did do so and report their findings in various forums/NGs or from
the reviewers that he or she trusts, and sometimes just from the
reputation of the developers and the knowledge of the development cycle
(GP3 will be a case like this for me). I have been following this
principle for a couple of years now and have been satisfied with all the
sims I got my hands on in this time, and got much more than I paid for
from all of them, if this can be measured.
-Gregor
I've been on the net too long to really get offended, but suppose the
situation arose where you needed some help (and I'd be able to assist) you
now know where not to come knocking.
BTW: my understading of English is fine... the tone of my message was
deliberate. I think your reply speaks volumes about your personality.
Jan.
=---
<snip>
<snip>
Andre
>Jens
>>It's always nice to hear a good use of English language. As i'm not native
>>english speaker i can learn a lot from reading some well structured and
>---------------------------------------------
>Remove "NOSPAM" before using my email-address
>JensSchumi homepage at http://members.xoom.com/JensSchu/
>Racing simulation, esp. GPL
>Logitech Wingman FF optimization
>Classic cars, esp. Morris Minor
>Radio controlled airplanes
> > Trying out the product before you buy it? A point in case, perhaps, but
> > I can imagine that you may be given to try a partial version (a demo),
> > but using a full version without paying for it and without the consent
> > of the publisher is stealing intellectual property in my opinion,
> > especially at the point you are not testing the features anymore but
> > getting any benefits out of it (which, in games, is the entertainment
> > value). A car dealer may give you a test drive, but he will not give you
> > a car for a couple of weeks to test it and then return it if you are not
> > pleased with it, at least not the car dealers I know of.
> But you will get a test drive in the car you want, not a crippled down
> version with only two gears. And you already know what it is supposed
> to do. You don't have to worry about if the car runs slower with more
> than 30 other cars on the road (or the baggage retrieval system
> they've got at Heathrow.) And if you have a lot of problems with the
> car, you can go back to the dealer and have him fix it. And of course:
> while you try the car, noone else can try it at the same time and the
> dealer has money invested in that copy of the car. Neither applies to
> software.
> --
> [asbjxrn] [lLd25z*%ds1-100/sLlSdI%ds2-O/sSl1l2*PlL0<l]sl
> 21172310731916131628237117 3237142523312SSSLllxq
Although I appreciate your post, I think many people view it that they are tired
of getting screwed by flawed software and most places will not refund their
money. Thus, they use warez to test it out. (Don't get me wrong... many don't
buy the software even if they love it!)
Also, many times the demo is poor (take Mobil 1 Rally for example) yet the final
release is pretty solid. Im not advocating warez, its against the law.. plain
and simple. At the same time, I understand the reasoning behind it. After
individual If I had paid for it and couldn't get my money back. Such as NASCAR
Revolting, NASCAR Road Racing, NASCAR Revolting SE, and NASCAR 2000 (Still
Revolting).
I also understand the hardship of software companies and retail houses offering
money back guarantees without a real solid way of preventing copying and then
returning. The whole situation is kind of a catch 22.
Just my opinion.
Scott
PA-Scott
PowerSims.com
--
Scott B. Husted
ICQ# 4395450