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OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

reverend ro

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by reverend ro » Thu, 02 May 2002 09:54:59


dang!

wish i had read this before i posted.

rob

Ryan

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Ryan » Thu, 02 May 2002 10:36:07

I would like you to name a race that involved a last lap pass that was clean
and had absolutely no controversy.......

Ryan

*snipping out all the stuff that has been reposted at least 6 times*

Phillip Malphrus, Jr

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Thu, 02 May 2002 11:37:04

How about Dale JarrettvsDavey Allison, Rick WilsonvsBill Elliott, Jimmy
SpencervsErnie Irvan. I am dropping it since no one came name a race other
than Daytona, where people dont like to rub anyway at those speeds.
Actually, I know another but the fact no one else does is amazing and proves
my point.


Phillip Malphrus, Jr

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Thu, 02 May 2002 11:38:15

I didnt say every race he finished 2nd in, I said there was not a single
race he ever finished second in on someone elses bumper without contact and
clean racing




> > Just name a race ...

> how about every freaking race he finishe second in?  he went 2nd at dayton
> for eons and it was why his win was such a big deal.

> i've been going to races since i was 3 way back in 64, dirt tracks
> rockingham, myrtle beach and darlington, back in the day, old skool or
> something, that was what you expected in STOCK CAR RACING.  conversations
> would be, he put a good one on him--  next time, he'll get him back......
> and oh yeah, a few fist-fights and not just the racers either.  the wives
> would really get into it back on those Leland Saturday nights, hehe.

> yeah, it's redneck and yeah it's a step up from rassling.

> "I know it's only Round and Round but I like it!"  ya'll can have all this
> fabricated let's not touch aeropush prettyboy happycrappy.  give me some
> detroit steel (via japan, alas) and let 'em race.

> so there, every freaking race he finished second, for a starter.  jeez

> rob

Phillip Malphrus, Jr

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Phillip Malphrus, Jr » Thu, 02 May 2002 11:39:03

John, I have no problem with you, was responding to someone else named
Schooner  ...


>   Hey Phillip, you made your point on my thread; I made mine; you don't
like
> him, I do, etc.  What say we drop it, eh ?  Pretty petty in the first
place.

> -John



> > Just name a race ...



> > > "You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that
> > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would
> wreck
> > > them."

> > > Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is not
> > > anywhere near true.  Sure some people got spun by him but others have
> done
> > > it as well and he never did it every race as you claim.



> > > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his
> driving,
> > > it
> > > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based
> on
> > > what
> > > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They
> knew
> > > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to
> be
> > > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was
true
> > > that
> > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would
> > wreck
> > > > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like
> that,
> > > how
> > > > would that person be treated though?



> > > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker"
to
> be
> > > is
> > > > > downright insulting.  Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a
> Saturday
> > > > night
> > > > > at a local dirt track.  I think if you thought it about a little
> > longer,
> > > > you
> > > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of
> accidents,
> > > but
> > > > he
> > > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're
> > > aggressive.
> > > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have
> won
> > > the
> > > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers.  7 championships
speak
> > for
> > > > > themselves......

> > > > > Ryan



> > > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what
stock
> > car
> > > > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as
> > Dale.
> > > I
> > > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt
> win
> > > by
> > > > a
> > > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer
that
> > > drove
> > > > > like
> > > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a
> lot
> > of
> > > > sim
> > > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking
people
> > > > online
> > > > > in
> > > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who
made
> a
> > > > living
> > > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true.

> > > > > > Regards, Phillip



> > > > > > >   In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all
about,
> > > unlike
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :)
> > > > > > >   Dale could do both sides of the fence.  Guys today
> > can't/haven't.

> > > > > > > -John




> > > > > > > > >   Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man.

> > > > > > > > Nope

> > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few
> > times
> > > I
> > > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on
the
> > web
> > > > was
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > see how Dale was doing

> > > > > > > > He was something else

> > > > > > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > > > > > (uncle) Goy

> > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> > > > > > > > --Groucho Marx--

Ryan

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Ryan » Thu, 02 May 2002 15:18:17

Keep in mind you're asking us to name races where he finished second -
that's pretty hard to do without a NASCAR history book handy.  BTW, I do
recall Earnhardt beating Mark Martin at Sears Point, so there's the race you
asked for.  And, in response to your examples, Jarret vs. Allison was at
Michigan - not exactly a contact track either.  Spencer vs. Irvan was at
Daytona wasn't it?  I don't recall Rick Wilson vs. Elliott. Anyways, I think
this thread has gotten much too long and I'm officially done with it.  I
understand you're aren't/weren't an Earnhardt fan and I don't have a problem
with that, but I just think that reducing his driving style to "wrecker" is
awfully disrespectful.

Ryan

Dan Tolos

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Dan Tolos » Thu, 02 May 2002 20:38:55

moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking.  Moving or Bump and
run is/was NASCAR.

Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run and went
on to win the race.  Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe.

Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little more out of
shape than he intended.  Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get
control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to the line.
Joe won.

Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win the race,
Rusty was 2nd I believe.



> Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his driving,
it
> was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based on
what
> I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They knew
> whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to be
> wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true
that
> he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would wreck
> them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like that,
how
> would that person be treated though?



> > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be
is
> > downright insulting.  Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturday
> night
> > at a local dirt track.  I think if you thought it about a little longer,
> you
> > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents,
but
> he
> > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're
aggressive.
> > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have won
the
> > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers.  7 championships speak for
> > themselves......

> > Ryan



> > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock car
> > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as Dale.
I
> > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win
by
> a
> > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that
drove
> > like
> > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot of
> sim
> > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people
> online
> > in
> > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a
> living
> > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true.

> > > Regards, Phillip



> > > >   In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about,
unlike
> > the
> > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :)
> > > >   Dale could do both sides of the fence.  Guys today can't/haven't.

> > > > -John




> > > > > >   Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man.

> > > > > Nope

> > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few times
I
> > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the web
> was
> > to
> > > > > see how Dale was doing

> > > > > He was something else

> > > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > > (uncle) Goy

> > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> > > > > --Groucho Marx--

Dan Tolos

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Dan Tolos » Thu, 02 May 2002 20:40:28

Forgot to add.

Pocono - Earnhardt, Mayfield moved Dale on the last corner and went on to
win the race.  Earnhardt finished 4th.


> moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking.  Moving or Bump
and
> run is/was NASCAR.

> Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run and
went
> on to win the race.  Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe.

> Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little more out
of
> shape than he intended.  Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get
> control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to the
line.
> Joe won.

> Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win the
race,
> Rusty was 2nd I believe.



> > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his driving,
> it
> > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man based on
> what
> > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They knew
> > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going to be
> > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true
> that
> > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would
wreck
> > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like that,
> how
> > would that person be treated though?



> > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker" to be
> is
> > > downright insulting.  Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a Saturday
> > night
> > > at a local dirt track.  I think if you thought it about a little
longer,
> > you
> > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of accidents,
> but
> > he
> > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're
> aggressive.
> > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not have won
> the
> > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers.  7 championships speak
for
> > > themselves......

> > > Ryan



> > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what stock
car
> > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well as
Dale.
> I
> > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he couldnt win
> by
> > a
> > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer that
> drove
> > > like
> > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about a lot
of
> > sim
> > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking people
> > online
> > > in
> > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who made a
> > living
> > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true.

> > > > Regards, Phillip



> > > > >   In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all about,
> unlike
> > > the
> > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :)
> > > > >   Dale could do both sides of the fence.  Guys today
can't/haven't.

> > > > > -John




> > > > > > >   Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man.

> > > > > > Nope

> > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the few
times
> I
> > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on the
web
> > was
> > > to
> > > > > > see how Dale was doing

> > > > > > He was something else

> > > > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > > > (uncle) Goy

> > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> > > > > > --Groucho Marx--

Schoone

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Schoone » Thu, 02 May 2002 20:50:41

I have not intention of continuing this discussion.  You seem to be here to
troll so let's leave it that we differ in our views.



> John, I have no problem with you, was responding to someone else named
> Schooner  ...



> >   Hey Phillip, you made your point on my thread; I made mine; you don't
> like
> > him, I do, etc.  What say we drop it, eh ?  Pretty petty in the first
> place.

> > -John



> > > Just name a race ...



> > > > "You can't even name one race when the above scenario was true that
> > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he would
> > wreck
> > > > them."

> > > > Please cut out the BS and stop disrespecting DE, that statement is
not
> > > > anywhere near true.  Sure some people got spun by him but others
have
> > done
> > > > it as well and he never did it every race as you claim.



> > > > > Yes, he had their respect all right but it was not just for his
> > driving,
> > > > it
> > > > > was for the kind of man he was as well. He was a very nice man
based
> > on
> > > > what
> > > > > I've heard, it's a shame I didnt know that until he was gone. They
> > knew
> > > > > whenever he was on their bumper with 2 to go that they were going
to
> > be
> > > > > wrecked. You can't even name one race when the above scenario was
> true
> > > > that
> > > > > he didn't wreck the other driver. If he could get to them, he
would
> > > wreck
> > > > > them. Just ask Terry Labonte. So, if there was someone online like
> > that,
> > > > how
> > > > > would that person be treated though?



> > > > > > I think that decribing Earnhardt as what we classify a "wrecker"
> to
> > be
> > > > is
> > > > > > downright insulting.  Earnhardt drove like anyone would on a
> > Saturday
> > > > > night
> > > > > > at a local dirt track.  I think if you thought it about a little
> > > longer,
> > > > > you
> > > > > > might realize that yes, Earnhardt got into/caused a lot of
> > accidents,
> > > > but
> > > > > he
> > > > > > was just an aggressive driver and accidents happen when you're
> > > > aggressive.
> > > > > > If all he did was crash people out to win races, he would not
have
> > won
> > > > the
> > > > > > respect of the fans or of his fellow racers.  7 championships
> speak
> > > for
> > > > > > themselves......

> > > > > > Ryan


message

> > > > > > > I am sad for his family that he is gone, but he was not what
> stock
> > > car
> > > > > > > racing was all about. Many others have come and gone as well
as
> > > Dale.
> > > > I
> > > > > > > never watched a NASCAR race to see Dale Earnhardt. If he
couldnt
> > win
> > > > by
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > fair pass, he would move you out of the way. Any "sim" racer
> that
> > > > drove
> > > > > > like
> > > > > > > that would had been muzzled and that's what is so funny about
a
> > lot
> > > of
> > > > > sim
> > > > > > > racers that I see: all the time bashing people for wrecking
> people
> > > > > online
> > > > > > in
> > > > > > > a game and then they would pull for someone in real life who
> made
> > a
> > > > > living
> > > > > > > doing it. Sorry, but that is true.

> > > > > > > Regards, Phillip



> > > > > > > >   In a nutshell Goy, he was what stock car racing is all
> about,
> > > > unlike
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > pretty boy/corporate version of today :)
> > > > > > > >   Dale could do both sides of the fence.  Guys today
> > > can't/haven't.

> > > > > > > > -John




> > > > > > > > > >   Isn't the same, never will be, without The Man.

> > > > > > > > > Nope

> > > > > > > > > I'm not a NASCAR fan by any definition of the word, the
few
> > > times
> > > > I
> > > > > > > > > watched the reruns on Eurosport or checked the results on
> the
> > > web
> > > > > was
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > see how Dale was doing

> > > > > > > > > He was something else

> > > > > > > > > Beers and cheers
> > > > > > > > > (uncle) Goy

> > > > > > > > > "The Pits" http://www.theuspits.com/

> > > > > > > > > "A man is only as old as the woman he feels"
> > > > > > > > > --Groucho Marx--

Uncle Feste

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Uncle Feste » Thu, 02 May 2002 21:47:27


> moving or bump and run is a lot different than wrecking.  Moving or Bump and
> run is/was NASCAR.

> Rockingham - Bobby Hamilton, Earnhardt moved him with bump and run and went
> on to win the race.  Bobby didn't wreck and finished 2nd I believe.

> Loudon BGN - Nemechek, Earnhardt moved him, but got him a little more out of
> shape than he intended.  Earnhardt slowed down, waited for Joe to get
> control of the car, let Joe get back in the lead before racing to the line.
> Joe won.

> Bristol - Rusty Wallace, Jeff Gordon moved him, and went on to win the race,
> Rusty was 2nd I believe.

Yep, it's part of the strategies/tactics that *are* NASCAR.  It's not
freakin' F1.  And hope it never gets there.

--

Fester

Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8)
     -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>  4/15/02

Goy Larse

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Goy Larse » Thu, 02 May 2002 21:53:50


> How about Dale JarrettvsDavey Allison, Rick WilsonvsBill Elliott, Jimmy
> SpencervsErnie Irvan. I am dropping it since no one came name a race other
> than Daytona, where people dont like to rub anyway at those speeds.
> Actually, I know another but the fact no one else does is amazing and proves
> my point.

You not getting a reply only proves that you didn't get a reply

Me, I don't know enough about NASCAR to come up with examples, that
doesn't prove the examples doesn't exist

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

Dave Henri

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Dave Henri » Thu, 02 May 2002 22:02:57


  You also forgot to add races like the Bristol night event won by Terry
Labonte....where Dale was penalized and held on pit row for rough driving,
and then he proceeded to smash through the field bumping almost every driver
outta da way before a last lap kamikaze move that sent Labonte sliding from
the exit of turn 4 into the wall at turn 1.
:)
dave henrie

Uncle Feste

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Uncle Feste » Thu, 02 May 2002 22:05:34



>>How about Dale JarrettvsDavey Allison, Rick WilsonvsBill Elliott, Jimmy
>>SpencervsErnie Irvan. I am dropping it since no one came name a race other
>>than Daytona, where people dont like to rub anyway at those speeds.
>>Actually, I know another but the fact no one else does is amazing and proves
>>my point.

> You not getting a reply only proves that you didn't get a reply

> Me, I don't know enough about NASCAR to come up with examples, that
> doesn't prove the examples doesn't exist

To me, he's a troll who don't need a reply.  He needs taken out back
behind the woodshed & busted upside his...  :-)

--

Fester

Hey nobody's perfect, not even myself 8)
     -- Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard>  4/15/02

Goy Larse

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by Goy Larse » Thu, 02 May 2002 22:43:42


> To me, he's a troll who don't need a reply.  He needs taken out back
> behind the woodshed & busted upside his...  :-)

I'm wearing my diplomatic hat today.....it's not very comfy though,
maybe I should fire up N2002 and load up one of those new road courses
instead...:-)

Beers and cheers
(uncle) Goy

http://www.theuspits.com
http://www.teammirage.com

"A man is only as old as the woman he feels........"
--Groucho Marx--

John Pancoas

OT- Dale Earnhardt's Birthday today, April 29th..........

by John Pancoas » Thu, 02 May 2002 23:08:09

  BS penalty.........he was mad after that <G>  That was also the last time
he allowed an in-car camera(to show him) IIRC <G>

-John




> > Forgot to add.
>   You also forgot to add races like the Bristol night event won by Terry
> Labonte....where Dale was penalized and held on pit row for rough driving,
> and then he proceeded to smash through the field bumping almost every
driver
> outta da way before a last lap kamikaze move that sent Labonte sliding
from
> the exit of turn 4 into the wall at turn 1.
> :)
> dave henrie


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