Guess, I have read enough. All the programmers are working on NRO.
I have asked for a few simple fixes on Hawaii that would benifit
a series that I help run but there is just nobody to do it now.
Any how you define cheating defines your character
Brian Tate
Sure, there are a handful of racers who seem to have God-like speed and
indestructable cars...if you've logged enough hours on Hawaii to work into
the double-digit skill levels you've no doubt encountered a few. However,
it's important to remember the names of the people you race against, if
there is someone you suspect is cheating the system...don't race against
him..it's quite simple. I've never really had a problem with any of the
guys mentioned. I usually race the track rather than the drivers...and
finishing in one piece is more often than not the goal. A number of things
contribute to having a fast car...not just the setup. You have to factor
in processor speed, latency, the quality and calibration of your
wheel/stick, and more than anything else..EXPERIENCE. If you know you
can't beat John Smith, then try to beat Joe Jones, or whomever. Personally
I would rather be beaten by a hacker than taken out by some moron who
finds it hilarious to park in the tri-oval at Dega (seems we've had a rash
of these lately). Everything will come full circle when the NROS finally
goes live.
Trevor Keane
"DirtDevil"
> Sure, there are a handful of racers who seem to have God-like speed and
> indestructable cars...if you've logged enough hours on Hawaii to work into
> the double-digit skill levels you've no doubt encountered a few. However,
> it's important to remember the names of the people you race against, if
> there is someone you suspect is cheating the system...don't race against
> him..it's quite simple. I've never really had a problem with any of the
> guys mentioned. I usually race the track rather than the drivers...and
> finishing in one piece is more often than not the goal. A number of things
> contribute to having a fast car...not just the setup. You have to factor
> in processor speed, latency, the quality and calibration of your
> wheel/stick, and more than anything else..EXPERIENCE. If you know you
> can't beat John Smith, then try to beat Joe Jones, or whomever. Personally
> I would rather be beaten by a hacker than taken out by some moron who
> finds it hilarious to park in the tri-oval at Dega (seems we've had a rash
> of these lately). Everything will come full circle when the NROS finally
> goes live.
> Trevor Keane
> "DirtDevil"
>> is this guy a joke or is he,lets give some info
> aaaahhhhhh Mr. VLX400....have I got a replay for you....
> I dont know how funny he is but he's certainly one of the more
>"creative" racers to grace the shores of our virtual HAWAII.
> I myself am not much of a computer person, bought my first one when
>Nascar 1 came out, but I DO know when I've been snookered, and in the
>last year and a half of watching replays I've NEVER seen anyone else have
>the "setup" talent to make their car LUNGE out of the turns at Atlanta at
>speeds that go from 168 to 218 mph in bursts of speed that would amaze
>any roadrunner.
How can that be cheating. He has obviouslly got a Nitros Oxide kit
installed into his car....:-)
Shane Lansky
Hobart,Tasmania
Australia
Brad, since you requested this I thought I would go ahead and post this
email
that was done in response to an incident I was involved in on Hawaii.
Like, Hawaii the
ego's and attitudes here on RAS do get out of line on occasion and don't
really contribute
much and detract a whole lot. I would like to thank KJames(Hawaii ID)
for posting this as
it does certainly put alot of things into perspective. As some of you
know I have decided
that I will no longer be racing on Hawaii after a year and a half and
doubt whether I will
be involved in NRO. This is no reflection on Papyrus or any of the many
people that will be
involved in bringing this to fruition and I hope it is a tremendous
success. But when people
you consider friends let their ego's get bigger than the game and they
become obsessed to win
at all costs, then I have decided it is time to move on. This in no way
excuses me to then
play the game with the same mentality they choose to. If its not fun why
bother!
I hope those who haven't read this before can obtain the same message
out of it that
I have and maybe you can apply some of the lessons I have learned to
conduct here on RAS and
on Hawaii(NRO). If the message is too deep for some no need flaming as I
will understand
where it is coming from!
Regards Pete Keith --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > The most interesting thing I think, is that Im a loser, that is troubleing me. I wish > I know some things about Huggins, not all. What I do know is, he is one hell of a nice > Tom Eckels who also posted on the other side of this topic is another guy I like a lot. > As far as the replays, anyone can get their own sometime. I have some, I have seen Toms, read more »
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Just wanted to share a small personal insight with all my fellow
midwest2
league members. I am the guy most of you pass by in the chat rooms as
well
as on the race track sunday evenings.A few of you acknowledge my
exitence
(thanks Blair , Bob, Barry :) I asked to join this league because I was
told
how good , clean and patient players you all are. Seems as of late , The
patience has been somewhat lacking to say the least.I hope maybe I can
get
a few of you thinking about what we are all here for.
I raced with a friend I met about 2 years ago on the internet modem
racer's list. We raced every afternoon before I had to go to work. His
name
was Mark Piscatelli. I looked forward to the phone ringing after lunch
and
hearing the familiar, "Yo , wanna race?" We raced together for quite a
few
months till the Hawaii racing opened to th public. Mark was totally
thrilled
with the fact that we could race with real people all over the country
and
beyond. He started a league called "WWR" . We had a ball racing a
different
track every Saturday morning. We went to Charlotte one sat. Mark was an
excellent competitor and always raced clean and hard. That morning we
were
about 3/4 of the way through our 30% race and Mark was 2nd to Gary Hamen
.
I was following Mark in 3rd place. I was right on his rear bumper coming
off of turn 4 . Mark slid a bit high in the first dogleg and I dove
underneath him. He did not see me below him and knocked me into the
infield.
He went on to win his 1st online race. Being the stupid ass that I WAS!
, I
got pissed at him for the incident and did not even have the
intelligence to
realize he had his first win and was extremely proud of it. I should
have
been ther congratulating him , instead I acted like a total ass for the
next
week or so.
After I finally got over it , I called him up. No answer. I
found out 3 weeks later after not hearing from him , he was in the
hospital.
year before I met him , he was diagnosed with Leukemia. He had a bone
marrow
transplant but was suffering from complications from this terrible
disease.
He called me from his hospital bed in Johns Hopkins hospital in
Baltimore.
He told me what was going on but was more interested in talking about
racing.He told his wife that if anyone else but me called , he did not
want
to talk to them. He told her that he enjoyed talking to me because I did
not
constantly ask him about his condition. This "game" we played got his
mind
off of the terrible pain he was suffering from. You can not imagine how
horribly stupid I felt getting upset with him over a meaningless
computer
game accident. Mark came home a couple of weeks after being in the
hospital.
As soon as he was home , he called me. That was a Sat. morning. His wife
had
gone out and bought him a new T-2 steering wheel and pedal set. He had
been
racing me with a joystick all this time . He was confined to the house
for
an indefinite period of time and the computer and the nascar game was
his
escape. He told me he got the t-2 and was gonna hook it up so we could
race
sat. evening. He was suffering from a bad headache and need to rest for
awhile. I called him sat. evening and his wife told me he was trying to
sleep off a really bad headache and that he would call me sunday
afternoon.
I did not hear from him that sunday. I called and left messages but
did not
hear from him.That wednesday we saw his name in the paper. He had a
massive
brain hemmorage that caused the headaches. Nobody knew till he woke up
late
saturday nite with multiple seizures. Mark passed away that sunday
morning.
I never got to tell him how sorry I was for acting so damn stupid over
the
Charlotte race. I miss him very badly. We were alot more than game
competiters, we were friends. I was fortunate enough to meet him in
person
right before he got sick the last time. We met at a local go-kart track
and
arcade center . I will never forget how much he enjoyed that morning
racing
go-karts and playing the sega daytona usa games. I can still hear him
laughing and yelling as we banged doors . I would give up every position
I
ever gained just to have him here to share races as well as his
friendship
with again. After he passed away , his wife , Lori , called me to tell
me
she wanted me to have his T-2 setup. He never had the opportunity to
race
with it. She told me that Mark wanted me to have it because he enjoyed
talking and racing with me. He valued the fact that I did not ask about
his
condition all the time. If he wanted me to know about it , that was up
to
him to decide , not me. That meant alot to Mark. My wife and I both
think of
him everyday. Evertime I sit down to race , I grab the wheel and think
of
Mark. I will never forget him. He taught me a lesson in humility that I
will
never forget. Thankyou Mark.....You will always be with me.
Please remember that there is a very valuable human being attached to
the
seemingly meaningless computer screen name that feels pain , joy and
every
thing we all feel. Try to keep in perspective the fact that it don't
mean
shit if you win the game if there is no one there to share the victory
with you. It's the friends that you make while playing that are
important.
I hope to someday call you guys my friends and earn your respect by the
fact
that I gave you mine.The biggest trip-up we have is this damned skill
level
system . Along with the higher skill level comes a much greater
responsibility to show us lesser players how ya got there in the first
place. That may include alot more give than take sometimes even if it
does
not seem like what is gonna score the almighty win. My most enjoyable
races
were for a position rather than a win. Mark and I crossed the finish
line
side by side many a time , be it for 39th and 40th or 1st and 2nd. If
you
give the other guy enough room to catch a screw up , you will usually
end up
finishing the race with them rather than ending it early for you both.
If
you notice me diving low on the track to get out of your way , it is
because
I would like to be there at the end of the race to congratulate the
winner.
Hopefully someday one of you will remember me giving up a position for
you
and will be there to share my first victory. Sorry guys , I gotta keep
the
faith, afterall , Earnhardt was a rookie at one time too :)
Brad Dawson wrote:
...
> Pete Reston had also posted the letter from the guy in the Midwest league, regarding an
> incident where someone was upset about an accident. You probably have all seen that
> though. Reading that letter should be mandatory before taking the track. Its like
> calibrating yourself, as you would cal your wheel before a run. Mr Plattts knows
> nothing of me or Mr Huggins, other than Mr Huggins can kick his ass on a simulated race
> track. That makes him a loser and all his friends losers too? If I considered everyone
> who finished in front of me a loser than 85% of you reading this are losers too!
> guy. He is an excellent driver. He has never driven through me in a turn. He has never
> caused a multi car calamity on the first lap. He does not block the track shamelessly.
> He has taught me how to pick up 1.5 mph at Dega in qual, with out leaving the track
> surface, without using the pit lane, without hitting any keys. I have never qualed
> outside the top 3 in an ACE race at Dega using this technique which could be used by a
> real car in a real race no problem. He has volumes of setup research materials.
> Both of these guys are sportsman and gentleman, they have both helped me unselfishly,and
> they both can kick the crap out of me. Tom beats me by 6 seconds and Huggins beats me by
> 10 seconds. No differance to me. They both race me clean, give me tips, congratulate me
> on the rare occasion I can beat them, and like to talk about the race afterwards. They
> both are real friends.
> and they all look pretty similar. Huggins is fast in them all! How do the "fast guys" do
> 180 in the turns at Atlanta? I don't know. I'd like to find out. I have their replays
> too! I don't think they are cheating just
> Brad, since you requested this I thought I would go ahead and post this
> email
> that was done in response to an incident I was involved in on Hawaii.
> Like, Hawaii the
> ego's and attitudes here on RAS do get out of line on occasion and don't
> really contribute
> much and detract a whole lot. I would like to thank KJames(Hawaii ID)
> for posting this as
> it does certainly put alot of things into perspective. As some of you
> know I have decided
> that I will no longer be racing on Hawaii after a year and a half and
> doubt whether I will
> be involved in NRO. This is no reflection on Papyrus or any of the many
> people that will be
> involved in bringing this to fruition and I hope it is a tremendous
> success. But when people
> you consider friends let their ego's get bigger than the game and they
> become obsessed to win
> at all costs, then I have decided it is time to move on. This in no way
> excuses me to then
> play the game with the same mentality they choose to. If its not fun why
> bother!
> I hope those who haven't read this before can obtain the same message
> out of it that
> I have and maybe you can apply some of the lessons I have learned to
> conduct here on RAS and
> on Hawaii(NRO). If the message is too deep for some no need flaming as I
> will understand
> where it is coming from!
> Regards Pete > Keith > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Brad Dawson wrote: > > The most interesting thing I think, is that Im a loser, that is troubleing me. I wish > > I know some things about Huggins, not all. What I do know is, he is one hell of a nice > > Tom Eckels who also posted on the other side of this topic is another guy I like a lot.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Just wanted to share a small personal insight with all my fellow
> midwest2
> league members. I am the guy most of you pass by in the chat rooms as
> well
> as on the race track sunday evenings.A few of you acknowledge my
> exitence
> (thanks Blair , Bob, Barry :) I asked to join this league because I was
> told
> how good , clean and patient players you all are. Seems as of late , The
> patience has been somewhat lacking to say the least.I hope maybe I can
> get
> a few of you thinking about what we are all here for.
> I raced with a friend I met about 2 years ago on the internet modem
> racer's list. We raced every afternoon before I had to go to work. His
> name
> was Mark Piscatelli. I looked forward to the phone ringing after lunch
> and
> hearing the familiar, "Yo , wanna race?" We raced together for quite a
> few
> months till the Hawaii racing opened to th public. Mark was totally
> thrilled
> with the fact that we could race with real people all over the country
> and
> beyond. He started a league called "WWR" . We had a ball racing a
> different
> track every Saturday morning. We went to Charlotte one sat. Mark was an
> excellent competitor and always raced clean and hard. That morning we
> were
> about 3/4 of the way through our 30% race and Mark was 2nd to Gary Hamen
> .
> I was following Mark in 3rd place. I was right on his rear bumper coming
> off of turn 4 . Mark slid a bit high in the first dogleg and I dove
> underneath him. He did not see me below him and knocked me into the
> infield.
> He went on to win his 1st online race. Being the stupid ass that I WAS!
> , I
> got pissed at him for the incident and did not even have the
> intelligence to
> realize he had his first win and was extremely proud of it. I should
> have
> been ther congratulating him , instead I acted like a total ass for the
> next
> week or so.
> After I finally got over it , I called him up. No answer. I
> found out 3 weeks later after not hearing from him , he was in the
> hospital.
> year before I met him , he was diagnosed with Leukemia. He had a bone
> marrow
> transplant but was suffering from complications from this terrible
> disease.
> He called me from his hospital bed in Johns Hopkins hospital in
> Baltimore.
> He told me what was going on but was more interested in talking about
> racing.He told his wife that if anyone else but me called , he did not
> want
> to talk to them. He told her that he enjoyed talking to me because I did
> not
> constantly ask him about his condition. This "game" we played got his
> mind
> off of the terrible pain he was suffering from. You can not imagine how
> horribly stupid I felt getting upset with him over a meaningless
> computer
> game accident. Mark came home a couple of weeks after being in the
> hospital.
> As soon as he was home , he called me. That was a Sat. morning. His wife
> had
> gone out and bought him a new T-2 steering wheel and pedal set. He had
> been
> racing me with a joystick all this time . He was confined to the house
> for
> an indefinite period of time and the computer and the nascar game was
> his
> escape. He told me he got the t-2 and was gonna hook it up so we could
> race
> sat. evening. He was suffering from a bad headache and need to rest for
> awhile. I called him sat. evening and his wife told me he was trying to
> sleep off a really bad headache and that he would call me sunday
> afternoon.
> I did not hear from him that sunday. I called and left messages but
> did not
> hear from him.That wednesday we saw his name in the paper. He had a
> massive
> brain hemmorage that caused the headaches. Nobody knew till he woke up
> late
> saturday nite with multiple seizures. Mark passed away that sunday
> morning.
> I never got to tell him how sorry I was for acting so damn stupid over
> the
> Charlotte race. I miss him very badly. We were alot more than game
> competiters, we were friends. I was fortunate enough to meet him in
> person
> right before he got sick the last time. We met at a local go-kart track
> and
> arcade center . I will never forget how much he enjoyed that morning
> racing
> go-karts and playing the sega daytona usa games. I can still hear him
> laughing and yelling as we banged doors . I would give up every position
> I
> ever gained just to have him here to share races as well as his
> friendship
> with again. After he passed away , his wife , Lori , called me to tell
> me
> she wanted me to have his T-2 setup. He never had the opportunity to
> race
> with it. She told me that Mark wanted me to have it because he enjoyed
> talking and racing with me. He valued the fact that I did not ask about
> his
> condition all the time. If he wanted me to know about it , that was up
> to
> him to decide , not me. That meant alot to Mark. My wife and I both
> think of
> him everyday. Evertime I sit down to race , I grab the wheel and think
> of
> Mark. I will never forget him. He taught me a lesson in humility that I
> will
> never forget. Thankyou Mark.....You will always be with me.
> Please remember that there is a very valuable human being attached to
> the
> seemingly meaningless computer screen name that feels pain , joy and
> every
> thing we all feel. Try to keep in perspective the fact that it don't
> mean
> shit if you win the game if there is no one there to share the victory
> with you. It's the friends that you make while playing that are
> important.
> I hope to someday call you guys my friends and earn your respect by the
> fact
> that I gave you mine.The biggest trip-up we have is this damned skill
> level
> system . Along with the higher skill level comes a much greater
> responsibility to show us lesser players how ya got there in the first
> place. That may include alot more give than take sometimes even if it
> does
> not seem like what is gonna score the almighty win. My most enjoyable
> races
> were for a position rather than a win. Mark and I crossed the finish
> line
> side by side many a time , be it for 39th and 40th or 1st and 2nd. If
> you
> give the other guy enough room to catch a screw up , you will usually
> end up
> finishing the race with them rather than ending it early for you both.
> If
> you notice me diving low on the track to get out of your way , it is
> because
> I would like to be there at the end of the race to congratulate the
> winner.
> Hopefully someday one of you will remember me giving up a position for
> you
> and will be there to share my first victory. Sorry guys , I gotta keep
> the
> faith, afterall , Earnhardt was a rookie at one time too :)
> > Pete Reston had also posted the letter from the guy in the Midwest league, regarding an
> > incident where someone was upset about an accident. You probably have all seen that
> > though. Reading that letter should be mandatory before taking the track. Its like
> > calibrating yourself, as you would cal your wheel before a run. Mr Plattts knows
> > nothing of me or Mr Huggins, other than Mr Huggins can kick his ass on a simulated race
> > track. That makes him a loser and all his friends losers too? If I considered everyone
> > who finished in front of me a loser than 85% of you reading this are losers too!
> > guy. He is an excellent driver. He has never driven through me in a turn. He has never
> > caused a multi car calamity on the first lap. He does not block the track shamelessly.
> > He has taught me how to pick up 1.5 mph at Dega in qual, with out leaving the track
> > surface, without using the pit lane, without hitting any keys. I have never qualed
> > outside the top 3 in an ACE race at Dega using this technique which could be used by a
> > real car in a real race no problem. He has volumes of setup research materials.
> > Both of these guys are sportsman and gentleman, they have both helped me unselfishly,and
> > they both can kick the crap out of me. Tom beats me by 6 seconds and Huggins beats me by
> > 10 seconds. No differance to me. They both race me clean, give me tips, congratulate me
> > on the rare occasion I can beat them, and like to talk about the race
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Is there a reason you left all the previous post in yours?
> >Sure looks like he's been seduced by the "Dark Side" ;-)
> Where's Luke??;-)
> take care
> Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data
> IVGA Member 0004
> The N2 "SkunksWorks" is in progress
> Verite/3DFX owner
Good race at the Brickyard, (Old'Indytrack guy in rec.autos.simulators)
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