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huggins and hawaii

Brad Dawso

huggins and hawaii

by Brad Dawso » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00



> grammar teachers around the world to have a major coronary with this
> run-on sentence:

> >Don don't give me this ***about Huggins about him being legit we all know
> >he cheats he has admitted to it once to me GT86 once when he was under the
> >name of Tester01 and I don't care how fast his setups are he will not pull
> >1 sec on 1 car in fact let alone 2 cars in draft or even 3 in a draft in a
> >lap and I have seen him do it many times he has done it to me he cheats and
> >he is a loser because he doesn't admit it and if anyone defend him for this
> >because I don't have hard prove besides his speed and his words about his
> >cheating but as I was saying if anyone defends him is a loser to I guess he
> >doesn't cheat like Cmone wasn't stealing setups right!!!!

> OK Robert... Take a deep breath.  Remember to breathe both in and out
> while speaking... :)
> July 4-5 Firecracker 400    (It will never be the Pepsi to me :-) !!!)
> Roberts sec. N-O   UP HIGH!!!!!!!
> GO RUSTY  #2 #2 #2 #2 #2 !!!!!
> Matthew

Wow all in one night I figured out; How to get access to this newsgroup,
That my very good friend Robert Huggins is a famous guy, And that I am a Loser in the
opinion of a Robert Platttts.

The most interesting thing I think, is that Im a loser, that is troubleing me.  I wish
Pete Reston had also posted the letter from the guy in the Midwest league, regarding an
incident where someone was upset about an accident. You probably have all seen that
though. Reading that letter should be mandatory before taking the track. Its like
calibrating yourself, as you would cal your wheel before a run.  Mr Plattts knows
nothing of me or Mr Huggins, other than Mr Huggins can kick his ass on a simulated race
track. That makes him a loser and all his friends losers too? If I considered everyone
who finished in front of me a loser than 85% of you reading this are losers too!

I know some things about Huggins, not all. What I do know is, he is one hell of a nice
guy. He is an excellent driver. He has never driven through me in a turn. He has never
caused a multi car calamity on the first lap. He does not block the track shamelessly.
He has taught me how to pick up 1.5 mph at Dega in qual, with out leaving the track
surface, without using the pit lane, without hitting any keys. I have never qualed
outside the top 3 in an ACE race at Dega using this technique which could be used by a
real car in a real race no problem. He has volumes of setup research materials.

Tom Eckels who also posted on the other side of this topic is another guy I like a lot.
Both of these guys are sportsman and gentleman, they have both helped me unselfishly,and
they both can kick the ***out of me. Tom beats me by 6 seconds and Huggins beats me by
10 seconds. No differance to me. They both race me clean, give me tips, congratulate me
on the rare occasion I can beat them, and like to talk about the race afterwards. They
both are real friends.

As far as the replays, anyone can get their own sometime. I have some, I have seen Toms,
and they all look pretty similar. Huggins is fast in them all! How do the "fast guys" do
180 in the turns at Atlanta? I don't know. I'd like to find out. I have their replays
too! I don't think they are cheating just because they are smokkin me.

Papyrus has said there is no "ultimate speed" the speeds are going up across the board.
Maybe some day someone will be faster than Huggins. But it will have to be someone who
worries about their own self and not the competition. I too have heard that there will
be a crack down on cheating, Im sure many people will be surprised when Huggins is not
affected by it. Hopefully after that we can all get back to having fun, making some
friends, and enjoying some good racing.

Also I must disagree that I am a loser, sorry Mr Platttts.  I already know how to
finish well, but not win, with the right frame of mind. So If I ever figure out to win,
I'll be all set.
It doesn't look like it will be that easy for those that started out winning and now are
having to learn how to lose.   CYA

Bill Blos

huggins and hawaii

by Bill Blos » Fri, 04 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> For what it's worth-

> I've Raced with huggins on a number of occasions and found him to be a
> very "GOOD" driver. Based on my experiece with Hawaii, this is not always
> the case. Huggins will hold his line, but he will give you racing room. As
> you all know, this is to often the exception and not the norm. As you also
> know, "GOOD" drivers go FAST. For what it's worth, Huggins was kind enough
> to share some setup tips and driving tecniques with me that greatly
> improved my performance. Perhaps if you would follow his lines and
> experiment with your setups your performance might improve as well.
> Otherwise, you could just throw rocks at him in the newsgroup while he's
> practicing and getting faster - Just a thought.

> Beware the Red Bowtie (#3)

> Kevin Weidner

Well I have raced with him and against him, and I believe he CHEATS!!!!
I have seen the replay that Tom speaks of here (I was actually in the
race) and there is NO WAY he can run the speeds he runs without
"tweaking" the code (not to metion the fact that huggins and I were in
an accident in that race and hit the wall coming into 3 at Atlanta doing
180 and he went on to win the race????????? EXpalin that.).  I'm no
software developer, but I've been doing the NASCAR sim thing for about 2
years now, and have gotten pretty good at setting a car up.  I'll be the
first to admit that I'm not great, but you can definately tell when
someone BLOWS by you on the backstretch at Atlanta when your doing
nearly 200mph that something isn't right.

Bill

Robert Plattt

huggins and hawaii

by Robert Plattt » Sat, 05 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I have been told that Hawaii knows the Huggins cheats and they are tring to
firgure out how.I never said Huggins isn't clean I said he cheats I have
helped out alot of racers in my time on hawaii which has been for more than
a year.I have made setups for tracks that I have been asked to give out and
I have to people many times.The reason I know Huggins cheats is because no
one I mean no one can run down a 2 car draft in one lap (1 sec or more in 1
lap) by them selfs at any track let alone dega,but he does it and he
doesn't cheat please give me a break.Also if you defend him cheating then
yes you are a loser.

Robert





> > grammar teachers around the world to have a major coronary with this
> > run-on sentence:

> > >Don don't give me this ***about Huggins about him being legit we all
know
> > >he cheats he has admitted to it once to me GT86 once when he was under
the
> > >name of Tester01 and I don't care how fast his setups are he will not
pull
> > >1 sec on 1 car in fact let alone 2 cars in draft or even 3 in a draft
in a
> > >lap and I have seen him do it many times he has done it to me he
cheats and
> > >he is a loser because he doesn't admit it and if anyone defend him for
this
> > >because I don't have hard prove besides his speed and his words about
his
> > >cheating but as I was saying if anyone defends him is a loser to I
guess he
> > >doesn't cheat like Cmone wasn't stealing setups right!!!!

> > OK Robert... Take a deep breath.  Remember to breathe both in and out
> > while speaking... :)
> > July 4-5 Firecracker 400    (It will never be the Pepsi to me :-) !!!)
> > Roberts sec. N-O   UP HIGH!!!!!!!
> > GO RUSTY  #2 #2 #2 #2 #2 !!!!!
> > Matthew

> Wow all in one night I figured out; How to get access to this newsgroup,
> That my very good friend Robert Huggins is a famous guy, And that I am a
Loser in the
> opinion of a Robert Platttts.

> The most interesting thing I think, is that Im a loser, that is

troubleing me.  I wish
league, regarding an
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Mike Radl

huggins and hawaii

by Mike Radl » Sat, 05 Apr 1997 04:00:00


>     aaaahhhhhh Mr. VLX400....have I got a replay for you....

>     I dont know how funny he is but he's certainly one of the more
>"creative" racers to grace the shores of our virtual HAWAII.  

Wow! I saw the replay. There is something very seriously wrong/right
with Huggins' car. The thing looks as if it has a turbo boost button. It
performs short, discreet bursts of speed. He's got some acceleration
curves that John Force would be proud of. It's a riot to watch. I would
love to hear Mr. Huggins' analysis of it. I'd love to see more replays
too.

BTW, Huggins DID admit to CHEATING a while back on this newsgroup.
He also said that he would only cheat when using a TESTER## user
id in the future. Unless I'm convinced otherwise, I think he has forgotten
his promise :-(

Gosh, It's awfully coincidental that major IVGA guys are the ones that
keep ending up in the cheating spot light. Either they are victims of a
major *** or...

Cheating and rumors of cheating have almost totally ruined the Hawaii
experience for me. I hope the Hammer comes down swift and hard
when the NROS goes online!!!!!!!!


Member -Hawaii Ace League http://www.racesimcentral.net/

VLX4

huggins and hawaii

by VLX4 » Sat, 05 Apr 1997 04:00:00

yes i love it someone thank this guy THANKX VIPER
ur the man

VLX4

huggins and hawaii

by VLX4 » Sat, 05 Apr 1997 04:00:00

dont make me laugh,u must be stupid
or maybee you are doing the sameothing or if u dont understand that thats
the same old thing,the only line i should follow is mine

John Parke

huggins and hawaii

by John Parke » Sat, 05 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> I have been told that Hawaii knows the Huggins cheats and they are tring to
> firgure out how.I never said Huggins isn't clean I said he cheats I have
> helped out alot of racers in my time on hawaii which has been for more than
> a year.I have made setups for tracks that I have been asked to give out and
> I have to people many times.The reason I know Huggins cheats is because no
> one I mean no one can run down a 2 car draft in one lap (1 sec or more in 1
> lap) by them selfs at any track let alone dega,but he does it and he
> doesn't cheat please give me a break.Also if you defend him cheating then
> yes you are a loser.

> Robert





> > > grammar teachers around the world to have a major coronary with this
> > > run-on sentence:

> > > >Don don't give me this ***about Huggins about him being legit we all
> know
> > > >he cheats he has admitted to it once to me GT86 once when he was under
> the
> > > >name of Tester01 and I don't care how fast his setups are he will not
> pull
> > > >1 sec on 1 car in fact let alone 2 cars in draft or even 3 in a draft
> in a
> > > >lap and I have seen him do it many times he has done it to me he
> cheats and
> > > >he is a loser because he doesn't admit it and if anyone defend him for
> this
> > > >because I don't have hard prove besides his speed and his words about
> his
> > > >cheating but as I was saying if anyone defends him is a loser to I
> guess he
> > > >doesn't cheat like Cmone wasn't stealing setups right!!!!

> > > OK Robert... Take a deep breath.  Remember to breathe both in and out
> > > while speaking... :)
> > > July 4-5 Firecracker 400    (It will never be the Pepsi to me :-) !!!)
> > > Roberts sec. N-O   UP HIGH!!!!!!!
> > > GO RUSTY  #2 #2 #2 #2 #2 !!!!!
> > > Matthew

> > Wow all in one night I figured out; How to get access to this newsgroup,
> > That my very good friend Robert Huggins is a famous guy, And that I am a
> Loser in the
> > opinion of a Robert Platttts.

> > The most interesting thing I think, is that Im a loser, that is
> troubleing me.  I wish
> > Pete Reston had also posted the letter from the guy in the Midwest
> league, regarding an
> > incident where someone was upset about an accident. You probably have all
> seen that
> > though. Reading that letter should be mandatory before taking the track.
> Its like
> > calibrating yourself, as you would cal your wheel before a run.  Mr
> Plattts knows
> > nothing of me or Mr Huggins, other than Mr Huggins can kick his ass on a
> simulated race
> > track. That makes him a loser and all his friends losers too? If I
> considered everyone
> > who finished in front of me a loser than 85% of you reading this are
> losers too!

> > I know some things about Huggins, not all. What I do know is, he is one
> hell of a nice
> > guy. He is an excellent driver. He has never driven through me in a turn.
> He has never
> > caused a multi car calamity on the first lap. He does not block the track
> shamelessly.
> > He has taught me how to pick up 1.5 mph at Dega in qual, with out leaving
> the track
> > surface, without using the pit lane, without hitting any keys. I have
> never qualed
> > outside the top 3 in an ACE race at Dega using this technique which could
> be used by a
> > real car in a real race no problem. He has volumes of setup research
> materials.

> > Tom Eckels who also posted on the other side of this topic is another guy
> I like a lot.
> > Both of these guys are sportsman and gentleman, they have both helped me
> unselfishly,and
> > they both can kick the ***out of me. Tom beats me by 6 seconds and
> Huggins beats me by
> > 10 seconds. No differance to me. They both race me clean, give me tips,
> congratulate me
> > on the rare occasion I can beat them, and like to talk about the race
> afterwards. They
> > both are real friends.

> > As far as the replays, anyone can get their own sometime. I have some, I
> have seen Toms,
> > and they all look pretty similar. Huggins is fast in them all! How do the
> "fast guys" do
> > 180 in the turns at Atlanta? I don't know. I'd like to find out. I have
> their replays
> > too! I don't think they are cheating just because they are smokkin me.

> > Papyrus has said there is no "ultimate speed" the speeds are going up
> across the board.
> > Maybe some day someone will be faster than Huggins. But it will have to
> be someone who
> > worries about their own self and not the competition. I too have heard
> that there will
> > be a crack down on cheating, Im sure many people will be surprised when
> Huggins is not
> > affected by it. Hopefully after that we can all get back to having fun,
> making some
> > friends, and enjoying some good racing.

> > Also I must disagree that I am a loser, sorry Mr Platttts.  I already
> know how to
> > finish well, but not win, with the right frame of mind. So If I ever
> figure out to win,
> > I'll be all set.
> > It doesn't look like it will be that easy for those that started out
> winning and now are
> > having to learn how to lose.   CYA

        I had a pretty neat experience with Huggins last week.  I actually
qualled 1st ahead of him at Rockingham (He let me I'm sure!) which is
one of my better tracks -especially at a "sprint" type event.
         Huggins "lagged" back for 3/4 of the race and then ZOOM passed me like
I was sitting still.  I was running CONSISTENT high 153 - low 154 laps
and coming out of the corners VERY fast, YET he would pull away from me
in the straights MAJORLY.  
        I would like to know what Papyrus/Sierra's official stance on Rhuggins'
speeds/laptimes.  I have heard several times that they are "letting" him
"hack" and trying to catch him but have not heard that from a Papyrus
representative.

        Also, as a IVGA member I don't believe that RHuggins is acting as an
IVGA representative in this situation, but I can't help agree that it
doesn't portray the type of image I would hope for.  

        In a nutshell, if cheating is occuring I would hope that the IVGA would
distance itself from this situation and Rhuggins would have the
integrity to admit it and only use a certain Hawaii handle when cheating
(ie... Cheater)!!  :-)

--
John Parker

IVGA Member #3718 (and ardent supporter, as of now)
"Bogart" on Hawaii
Links LS Tour Member #475

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R Haine

huggins and hawaii

by R Haine » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00

I have had the pleasure of racing with some of the best Hawaii drivers
out there.  RHuggins is one of those I am talking about.  I have been
racing Nascar 1 on Hawaii for nearly 2 years and I have learned a lot
from drivers of his caliber.  Granted, at times I have felt cheated.
How is it that these guys seem to fly around the track as though I am
standing still.  There are some guys out there that do cheat and Hawaii
has been on the butt's for some time.  From what I here about NROS don't
even think about cheating with bogus software tweaks to enhance car
performance.  Bottom line, PRACTICE!!  It is easy to cry wolf when you
don't do your homework and tweak your own setups.  I look for the
leagues with drivers possessing skill levels above 10 (I am a 9).  I
watch there line, note when the pit, and watch their lap times.  I
figure that if they can do it, I can.  If the guy is cheating he WILL be
caught.  But, in my humble opinion RHiggins is just a damn good driver
who has done his homework on those setups.
--
Have a good day!

Tom Pelu

huggins and hawaii

by Tom Pelu » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00


>I have had the pleasure of racing with some of the best Hawaii drivers
>out there.  RHuggins is one of those I am talking about.  I have been
>racing Nascar 1 on Hawaii for nearly 2 years and I have learned a lot
>from drivers of his caliber.  Granted, at times I have felt cheated.
>How is it that these guys seem to fly around the track as though I am
>standing still.  There are some guys out there that do cheat and Hawaii
>has been on the butt's for some time.  From what I here about NROS don't
>even think about cheating with bogus software tweaks to enhance car
>performance.  Bottom line, PRACTICE!!  It is easy to cry wolf when you
>don't do your homework and tweak your own setups.  I look for the
>leagues with drivers possessing skill levels above 10 (I am a 9).  I
>watch there line, note when the pit, and watch their lap times.  I
>figure that if they can do it, I can.  If the guy is cheating he WILL be
>caught.  But, in my humble opinion RHiggins is just a damn good driver
>who has done his homework on those setups.
>--
>Have a good day!

Uhhhh, maybe you havent been reading this group long enough,but
Mr.Huggins has admitted to cheating.He had a post on here last summer
asking hackers to join him in showing off their best cheats.He invited
them to have a race on hawaii, just for cheaters(hackers).
I have no problem w/ Huggins,since i was just racing on hawaii for the
fun of it,but your wrong if u think he dosen't or didn't cheat.
ymenar

huggins and hawaii

by ymenar » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> Gosh, It's awfully coincidental that major IVGA guys are the ones that
> keep ending up in the cheating spot light. Either they are victims of a
> major *** or...

> Cheating and rumors of cheating have almost totally ruined the Hawaii
> experience for me. I hope the Hammer comes down swift and hard
> when the NROS goes online!!!!!!!!

Well, that's the problem when people want to be sort of "famous".
Sim-Racing is now a little community and many people here dream about
accessing the highest ranks.  But sometime they go too far and that's
why some people should be shame thinking they ARE Sim-Racers.  Cheaters
should not even be talked in NROS.  With the 1 year and + they had on
Hawaii I hope they protected their codes from the Hackers.  NROS will be
public, for anybody, and this is a chance to get other non-SimRacing
fans to try out NASCAR2.  

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Don Wilsh

huggins and hawaii

by Don Wilsh » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00

John:

John, Lots of people are doing testing for PAPYRUS and until we get rid
of
HAWAII and papyrus replaces this enviroment with a cheat proof system we
will have problems.  You know Papyrus hasnt given us a fix for anything
on HAWAII on over 6 months..  They dont care so why should we!!!!

Again, John,  PAPYRUS runs HAWAII... If there is a problem the IVGA
can't:

        1).     Detect cheating as its thier system
        2).     Its PApyrus responsibility to clean up hawaii not the IVGA

If I asked Ed Martin or Dave Matson to fix or clean up something they
would
die laughing!!!!

ITS A PAPYRUS PROBLEM, THEY CREATED IT, THEY WOULDNT FIX IT.  THE IVGA
HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HAWAII OR THAN ENJOY IT.  PERSONALLY I HAVE
TO PROBLEM RACING AGAINST ANY KNOW DRIVER AND STILL WIN OVER 50% of My
races...

Lets hope for NRO..  and Remember HAWAII is a beta testing enviroment
to insure we have a great NRO platform to race on!!!!

Don Wilshe, IVGA

Paul Carillon Jr

huggins and hawaii

by Paul Carillon Jr » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> John:

> >         Also, as a IVGA member I don't believe that RHuggins is acting as an
> > IVGA representative in this situation, but I can't help agree that it
> > doesn't portray the type of image I would hope for.

> John, Lots of people are doing testing for PAPYRUS and until we get rid
> of
> HAWAII and papyrus replaces this enviroment with a cheat proof system we
> will have problems.  You know Papyrus hasnt given us a fix for anything
> on HAWAII on over 6 months..  They dont care so why should we!!!!

> >         In a nutshell, if cheating is occuring I would hope that the IVGA would
> > distance itself from this situation and Rhuggins would have the
> > integrity to admit it and only use a certain Hawaii handle when cheating
> > (ie... Cheater)!!  :-)

> Again, John,  PAPYRUS runs HAWAII... If there is a problem the IVGA
> can't:

>         1).     Detect cheating as its thier system
>         2).     Its PApyrus responsibility to clean up hawaii not the IVGA

> If I asked Ed Martin or Dave Matson to fix or clean up something they
> would
> die laughing!!!!

> ITS A PAPYRUS PROBLEM, THEY CREATED IT, THEY WOULDNT FIX IT.  THE IVGA
> HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE HAWAII OR THAN ENJOY IT.  PERSONALLY I HAVE
> TO PROBLEM RACING AGAINST ANY KNOW DRIVER AND STILL WIN OVER 50% of My
> races...

> Lets hope for NRO..  and Remember HAWAII is a beta testing enviroment
> to insure we have a great NRO platform to race on!!!!

> Don Wilshe, IVGA

So again Don you dodge the question.I guess you are saying that if a
person is able to cheat in the Hawaii enviorment then its ok to do so if
Papyrus cant detect it .Its Papys problem since its there prototype.You
continually put them down  as saying they havent realeased any patches
for it in 6 months well i hope they have figured out the hack codes and
figureout all the detections for them and start you all at the botttom
when NRO comes around.You do not denounce cheating at all in your
statement which tells me alot about your character.

Paul

Paul Carillon Jr

huggins and hawaii

by Paul Carillon Jr » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> On Thu, 03 Apr 1997 23:23:45 -0500, Brad Dawson

> >As far as the replays, anyone can get their own sometime. I have some, I have seen Toms,
> >and they all look pretty similar. Huggins is fast in them all! How do the "fast guys" do
> >180 in the turns at Atlanta?

> Your first criteria, is rear bias.. camber... The ever important
> shocks.. Fine tune the "apex".. Left bias/rear bias, wedge... My
> stagger is at 0.000"

>  I don't know. I'd like to find out. I have their replays
> >too! I don't think they are cheating just because they are smokkin me.

> 180s is possible in the turns.. My Blap in Atlanta is a 192.006mph..
> Not hacked!!

> take care

> Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data
> IVGA Member 0004
> The N2 "SkunksWorks" is in progress
> Verite/3DFX owner

Julian you said this "Your first criteria, is rear bias.. camber... The
ever important

Paul

Paul Carillon Jr

huggins and hawaii

by Paul Carillon Jr » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00


> On Thu, 03 Apr 1997 23:23:45 -0500, Brad Dawson

> >As far as the replays, anyone can get their own sometime. I have some, I have seen Toms,
> >and they all look pretty similar. Huggins is fast in them all! How do the "fast guys" do
> >180 in the turns at Atlanta?

> Your first criteria, is rear bias.. camber... The ever important
> shocks.. Fine tune the "apex".. Left bias/rear bias, wedge... My
> stagger is at 0.000"

>  I don't know. I'd like to find out. I have their replays
> >too! I don't think they are cheating just because they are smokkin me.

> 180s is possible in the turns.. My Blap in Atlanta is a 192.006mph..
> Not hacked!!

> take care

> Julian "Mr. Turtle" Data
> IVGA Member 0004
> The N2 "SkunksWorks" is in progress
> Verite/3DFX owner

My last post didnt send right but here Julian is what i was asking :)
You said > Your first criteria, is rear bias.. camber... The
ever            important shocks.. Fine tune the "apex".. Left bias/rear
bias, wedge... My stagger is at 0.000" well since when were we able to
mess with rear camber in Nascar?????? Its not in my garage of setups
hmmmmm maybe thats why you are so fast at all the tracks??? I dont know
you and have never raced against you so maybe you are legite but it
makes you wonder, but please explain the rear camber thing for sure!!

Paul

Mike Radl

huggins and hawaii

by Mike Radl » Sun, 06 Apr 1997 04:00:00



>>BTW, Huggins DID admit to CHEATING a while back on this newsgroup.
>>He also said that he would only cheat when using a TESTER## user
>>id in the future. Unless I'm convinced otherwise, I think he has forgotten
>>his promise :-(

>That WAS back then over the summer. He was helping out Papy. I don't
>know if he still is..

Sure looks like he's been seduced by the "Dark Side" ;-)

"Industry, economy, honesty and kindness form a quartette of
virtues that will never be improved upon" - James Oliver


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