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Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

Dave Henri

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Dave Henri » Mon, 19 Apr 2004 22:33:57

   Sorry I don't have the issue.  I just sneaked a peak at one while
working.(one of the perks of being a mailman)  Actually a Dell was one of
the two or 3 they did approve of.

dh(sssshhhh!)

William Bradsha

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by William Bradsha » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 02:09:07


> Yes, N2k3 will go up to at least 1600x1200, maybe higher, not sure, but I
> know it is at least that.

NR2003 can go up to 2048x1536x32, using my Viewsonic G220fb 20" monitor.

-Will

Steve Smit

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:47:00

Maximum PC had what I thought was a specious reason for rejecting the
Viewsonic (which most other reviewers have liked): it didn't look good at
1280x1024.  Well, DUH!  Its native resolution is 1600x1200 (admitedly a
steep barrier for anything but high-end 'putas).  MPC ought to know better.
LCDs only look good at their native rez - not higher and not lower.






> >> > Can anyone out there suggest any 17" models which work well with
> >> > N2003? Since N2003 max resolution is 1024x768,
> >> > Would this be a problem with the LCD's higher native resolution?
> >> > TIA.

> > I was looking seriously at their VP201B.  Like the model you cited, it
> > shows a response time of 16ms...

>    The new issue of Maximum PC had a test of about a half dozen Flat LCD
> monitors.  only a couple passed their *** criteria.  You might want to
> check that magazine out first.

> dh

Steve Smit

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 04:53:04

They liked the Samsung 172X (almost always a good choice), the Planar PL1700
(both 17 inchers), and the Dell 2001FP (20 in.).  I bought a Dell 1800FP on
MPC's recomendation a year ago and it was just as good as they said it was
(and both a lot bigger than a 17 in. and a lot cheaper than a 20 in.).  The
only prob with Dell's LCDs is that you can't examine them in the store
before you take them home.  Trust me, if you get into a dead-pixel argument,
you'll lose...unless the screen looks like Tommy Lee Jones in "Batman."








> > >> > Can anyone out there suggest any 17" models which work well with
> > >> > N2003? Since N2003 max resolution is 1024x768,
> > >> > Would this be a problem with the LCD's higher native resolution?
> > >> > TIA.

> > > I was looking seriously at their VP201B.  Like the model you cited, it
> > > shows a response time of 16ms...

> >    The new issue of Maximum PC had a test of about a half dozen Flat LCD
> > monitors.  only a couple passed their *** criteria.  You might want
to
> > check that magazine out first.

> > dh

> Can you be so kind as to list the ones they rated as acceptable?  Any
> 20-inchers among them?

Andre

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Andre » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 05:52:26

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:53:04 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>They liked the Samsung 172X (almost always a good choice), the Planar PL1700
>(both 17 inchers), and the Dell 2001FP (20 in.).  I bought a Dell 1800FP on
>MPC's recomendation a year ago and it was just as good as they said it was
>(and both a lot bigger than a 17 in. and a lot cheaper than a 20 in.).  The
>only prob with Dell's LCDs is that you can't examine them in the store
>before you take them home.  Trust me, if you get into a dead-pixel argument,
>you'll lose...unless the screen looks like Tommy Lee Jones in "Batman."

I tried a new Dell 19" a couple of weeks back, and it certainly wasn't
up to *** duties.
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Stuart Becktel

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Stuart Becktel » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:26:14

Tell them the screen got scratched, that's how I got a new one in a few
days.

> They liked the Samsung 172X (almost always a good choice), the Planar
PL1700
> (both 17 inchers), and the Dell 2001FP (20 in.).  I bought a Dell 1800FP
on
> MPC's recomendation a year ago and it was just as good as they said it was
> (and both a lot bigger than a 17 in. and a lot cheaper than a 20 in.).
The
> only prob with Dell's LCDs is that you can't examine them in the store
> before you take them home.  Trust me, if you get into a dead-pixel
argument,
> you'll lose...unless the screen looks like Tommy Lee Jones in "Batman."









> > > >> > Can anyone out there suggest any 17" models which work well with
> > > >> > N2003? Since N2003 max resolution is 1024x768,
> > > >> > Would this be a problem with the LCD's higher native resolution?
> > > >> > TIA.

> > > > I was looking seriously at their VP201B.  Like the model you cited,
it
> > > > shows a response time of 16ms...

> > >    The new issue of Maximum PC had a test of about a half dozen Flat
LCD
> > > monitors.  only a couple passed their *** criteria.  You might want
> to
> > > check that magazine out first.

> > > dh

> > Can you be so kind as to list the ones they rated as acceptable?  Any
> > 20-inchers among them?

Stuart Becktel

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Stuart Becktel » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 07:27:39


> On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:53:04 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >They liked the Samsung 172X (almost always a good choice), the Planar
PL1700
> >(both 17 inchers), and the Dell 2001FP (20 in.).  I bought a Dell 1800FP
on
> >MPC's recomendation a year ago and it was just as good as they said it
was
> >(and both a lot bigger than a 17 in. and a lot cheaper than a 20 in.).
The
> >only prob with Dell's LCDs is that you can't examine them in the store
> >before you take them home.  Trust me, if you get into a dead-pixel
argument,
> >you'll lose...unless the screen looks like Tommy Lee Jones in "Batman."

> I tried a new Dell 19" a couple of weeks back, and it certainly wasn't
> up to *** duties.
> --
> Andrew.

Which one did you try? I've got the 1800FP and have had no problems
whatsoever playing games when its configured correctly. I do have some
problems with games when framerates are low, but that isn't the lcd's
problem.
F50 G

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by F50 G » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 13:05:53

I've never played N2003 but here's some good general info on LCD
monitors and ***:

http://www.racesimcentral.net/

(Sorry if it or something similar has already been posted)

I was ready to get a new Sony 19" LCD before I read this.  I have a
GDM-F400 and am now in no rush to go to an LCD.  The Sony I was looking
at has a response time of 25ms (15ms rise and 10ms decay).

    - F50 GT

Dave Weave

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Dave Weave » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:18:50


>  On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:53:04 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >They liked the Samsung 172X (almost always a good choice), the Planar PL1700
> >(both 17 inchers), and the Dell 2001FP (20 in.).  I bought a Dell 1800FP on
> >MPC's recomendation a year ago and it was just as good as they said it was
> >(and both a lot bigger than a 17 in. and a lot cheaper than a 20 in.).  The
> >only prob with Dell's LCDs is that you can't examine them in the store
> >before you take them home.  Trust me, if you get into a dead-pixel argument,
> >you'll lose...unless the screen looks like Tommy Lee Jones in "Batman."

I've got a Dell 2001FP 20" LCD screen on my desk at work, and was so impressed
with it I splashed out and got one for home. Not one dead pixel between the 2
of them.

The 2001FP has a 16ms response time, and has a native resolution of 1600x1200.
***-wise it's flawless to my eyes, especially when coupled with a DVI
compatible graphics card.  A little on the expensive side, but it's the best
bit of hardware I've bought for a long, long time.

--
Cheers,
Dave.

Andre

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Andre » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 15:21:17

On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 22:27:39 GMT, "Stuart Becktell"

post:

I think it was called the 190FP or something. Nice for desktop use,
but ***for ***.
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Gil Violet

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Gil Violet » Tue, 20 Apr 2004 23:33:31

I have a low end Dell 15" LCD monitor - think it is a FP15e or
something like that. I race ALL THE TIME with N2003 and I think the
monitor is fantastic. 1024x768 native resolution (which I use for all
*** - GTA-VC, Max Payne 2, Nascar Racing 2003 Season, you name it
and it looks fantastic.

The nice thing about 15" LCD screens is that they acutally measure 15"
- so you are not losing much size over your typical 17" CRT - which
measures 16" on a good day! If you get a 19" LCD you will have the
same approximate viewing area as you would with a 20 or 21" CRT.

Whatever you hear about difficulties with LCD monitors and *** does
not apply to the Dell unit that I have, and I was a skeptic before I
got it. The only reason I got the LCD in the first place is that Dell
was basically giving it away when I bought the PC last year. I had
actually planned on selling the LCD display and keeping my 17" CRT -
until I opened it and turned it on. I will never go back to a CRT
display again.

BTW - graphics card is TI4200 - I get about 50-60 fps average for
N2003 with textures on extreme and most eye candy turned on. Turned
off sun glare though, it was so blinding as to make online racing
difficult - so I turned it off to try to gain a slight edge. Hasn't
worked yet, though, only made 7-10 so far!

     Gil

Steve Smit

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:13:54

Abso-effing-lutely!



> >  On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 19:53:04 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> > >They liked the Samsung 172X (almost always a good choice), the Planar
PL1700
> > >(both 17 inchers), and the Dell 2001FP (20 in.).  I bought a Dell
1800FP on
> > >MPC's recomendation a year ago and it was just as good as they said it
was
> > >(and both a lot bigger than a 17 in. and a lot cheaper than a 20 in.).
The
> > >only prob with Dell's LCDs is that you can't examine them in the store
> > >before you take them home.  Trust me, if you get into a dead-pixel
argument,
> > >you'll lose...unless the screen looks like Tommy Lee Jones in "Batman."

> I've got a Dell 2001FP 20" LCD screen on my desk at work, and was so
impressed
> with it I splashed out and got one for home. Not one dead pixel between
the 2
> of them.

> >  I tried a new Dell 19" a couple of weeks back, and it certainly wasn't
> >  up to *** duties.

> The 2001FP has a 16ms response time, and has a native resolution of
1600x1200.
> ***-wise it's flawless to my eyes, especially when coupled with a DVI
> compatible graphics card.  A little on the expensive side, but it's the
best
> bit of hardware I've bought for a long, long time.

> --
> Cheers,
> Dave.

Steve Smit

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:26:12

The writer has a point (even if he does work for a monitor vendor), but I,
for one, will never buy another CRT again (not even for TV; I have switched
over to DLP projectors, which work great with DVI input, BTW; you ain't seen
nuthin' till you've flown a DC-3 over the Grand Canyon at 1240x768).

Sony is no longer on the cutting edge of anything.  Various internal
struggles andoutside distractions have affected all their core businesses:
TVs, monitors, consoles, movies, music...only their digital camera division
is still strong, IMO.  The hot brands in LCDs are Dell, Samsung (which badly
wants to be Asia's new Sony), Viewsonic, and Planar.


Andre

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Andre » Wed, 21 Apr 2004 03:44:52

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:26:12 GMT, "Steve Smith"


>over to DLP projectors, which work great with DVI input, BTW; you ain't seen
>nuthin' till you've flown a DC-3 over the Grand Canyon at 1240x768).

I have flown over the real thing in a chopper, you can stuff your
1240x768 ;-)
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Steve Smit

Thinking about buying an LCD monitor

by Steve Smit » Wed, 21 Apr 2004 06:00:40

I've ridden all the way down on a mule (terrifying!), so stuff yer helo!
;o)


> On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 18:26:12 GMT, "Steve Smith"

> >over to DLP projectors, which work great with DVI input, BTW; you ain't
seen
> >nuthin' till you've flown a DC-3 over the Grand Canyon at 1240x768).

> I have flown over the real thing in a chopper, you can stuff your
> 1240x768 ;-)
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