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Dayum!   Why . . . why . . . that thar boy's ackshuly tryin' tuh WIN this
har race!  Can't have nun o' that sh*t happenin' tonite!

| If sponsors are out JUST to win and not to get their name on TV, then why
do
| we have people last in the points standings still with sponsorship?  Why
do
| people that get 2nd place still have sponsorships?
|
| JB
|
| > Question to Jesse or anyone. With the $millions$ and I do mean
$millions$
| > spent on each race by each 'team owner' Do you really think these
drivers
| > would just sit back and let Dale Jr win?
| > I would think the sponsors would bail out if they knew this & fire all
the
| > so
| > called Nascar drivers that felt 'Lets just let Dale Jr win!' I cant
| imagine
| > any
| > sponsor spending all their 'money' on a driver to let another win? All
| these
| > sponsors are investing their $buck$ to see thier driver win, not to
lose!
| > Buddies or not if they don't do what they're paid to do I'd fire their
| > azzes!
| > jmho.. Thom_j.
| >
| > | Ok, so I guess you agree with the "*** Theory".
| > | I don't.
| > | And I think it's just plain chicken-shit talk.
| > | -Larry
| >
| >

| > | > I didn't see the interview.  Do you really think that everyone out
| there
| > | was
| > | > fighting to win that race as hard as they normally do?  Sure a few
| guys
| > | were
| > | > out there for their Million dollars, but most of them would rather
| > finish
| > | > second behind Dale...do you think it is a coincidence that he led
3/4
| of
| > | the
| > | > race...that he just had a GREAT car that could easily beat
| > everyone...that
| > | > no one could draft past the whole race...sure, believe that.  But I
| > think
| > | > that there were plenty of times that people might have been able to
| move
| > | out
| > | > to pass and block Jr, but instead, they just let him go to the
| > | front...Maybe
| > | > you just don't see the whole picture.  These racers are
friends...they
| > are
| > | > not rebels fighting to the death out there.  They are just playing a
| > game.
| > | > The game stole one of their friends earlier in the year, and the
least
| > | they
| > | > could do is help his son win at the track that stole his life.
Don't
| > get
| > | me
| > | > wrong, they still raced hard...and he may have had the best car.
But
| I
| > | > don't think that the only reason he led 3/4 of the race and passed 5
| > guys
| > | in
| > | > 2 laps in the closing laps is only because of a good car.
| > | >
| > | > I don't know why you are making an issue out of that comment.  Maybe
| you
| > | > should back up and look at the big picture...Dale jr. is a good
| driver,
| > | and
| > | > I am happy for his win...but don't sit there convincing yourself
that
| no
| > | > other driver on that track wanted him to win.
| > | >
| > | > Jesse Black
| > |

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| *** THEORY!!!!!!

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|    The sponsordwant a good show to favorably showcase their product or
| service.  The Pepsi 400 was a hell of a show with a sweet, happy
| ending.  Good exposure for the sport and the sponsors, even if your
| car didn't win today.  ;)
|

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|
| Yes.  Michael Waltrip said just that in the interview following the
| race.
|
|
| >Do you really think these drivers
| >would just sit back and let Dale Jr win?

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Either way, it's been one hell of a season.  For what it's worth, I saw the
Nascar.com clip of the final laps.  It looked to me like the 18 car (for
example) was going for it.  If I had to guess, I'd say there was no pre-race
***.  Some drivers may not have had the heart to fight it out - and
if that's the case, that's their personal decision.  But it was clear to me
that there were at least a couple of drivers that really did want the win.
And Waltrip finishing high in the field was also no surprise - they probably
just dusted off the great car they had in the season opener.

I have to say that in most cases, *if* the fix was in I'd be more upset.
However, in this case, I see a silver lining.

--

Philip D'Amato

| I didn't see the race, because I'm an idiot and forgot it was a night
race.
| I've only been looking forward to it for weeks.  My loss.  Anyway, whether
| or not it was a "group effort" that led to Dale's win doesn't matter as
much
| to me because:
| 1) If he won solely through his and his team's efforts, then great (!) -
| it's one for the storybooks, or
| 2) If he won because the other teams wanted to see him win as badly as
fans
| and his father's fans, the great (!) because that shows that
sportsmanship,
| comaraderie, friendship, and goodwill are a big part of this sport -
which,
| not coincidentally, is what attracts many fans to this sport in the first
| place.
|
| Either way, it's been one hell of a season.  For what it's worth, I saw
the
| Nascar.com clip of the final laps.  It looked to me like the 18 car (for
| example) was going for it.  If I had to guess, I'd say there was no
pre-race
| ***.  Some drivers may not have had the heart to fight it out - and
| if that's the case, that's their personal decision.  But it was clear to
me
| that there were at least a couple of drivers that really did want the win.
| And Waltrip finishing high in the field was also no surprise - they
probably
| just dusted off the great car they had in the season opener.
|
| I have to say that in most cases, *if* the fix was in I'd be more upset.
| However, in this case, I see a silver lining.
| --
| Philip D'Amato

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Dave,

I suppose next you'll try to tell us Dale Sr. didn't really
die, it was all a publicity stunt to boltster the sport and
he was going to retire anyways ..... sheesh ....

Why would anybody want to watch pro wrestling with NASCAR around?  :-)

And it's obvious that Dale Earnhart Inc./Richard Childress
Racing OWNS Daytona International Speedway now and that's
not because everyone lets them, it's because of the
extensive testing and tuning they have done on that track
..... and this is coming from someone who thinks Chevys suck
and always pulls for the Ford boyz (Jarrett, Wallace, Rudd,
etc.)

John

Its no different when I'm running good at a race track and someone ask me
how I do it.. well I'll fill them full of shit like.. "well, I'm using very
little brake and only squeezing the throttle 3/4.."  Even though in reality
I'm driving the***out of the car..  Its just to *** with them.. and it
in turn causes your competitors to work too hard and usually make drastic
changes that don't work...

Of course there is only one person who knows how much throttle they were
using.......

-Jacob

Just my 2 cents.

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