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21st B'day trip to the 'ring

Brian Swindell

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Brian Swindell » Tue, 26 Dec 2000 23:47:21

I'm planning on thrashing around the Nurburgring in April for my 21st :o)
Where is the website which has info about prices / opening times?

Rob Swindells

Joachim Blu

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Joachim Blu » Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:29:43



http://www.nuerburgring.de/
obviously ;)).

Regards
Crash

Andre Warring

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Andre Warring » Wed, 27 Dec 2000 02:45:50

On Mon, 25 Dec 2000 18:29:43 +0100, "Joachim Blum"




>> I'm planning on thrashing around the Nurburgring in April for my 21st :o)
>> Where is the website which has info about prices / opening times?

>> Rob Swindells

Be carefull Rob, no shift-R there!

Andre

Sideshow Bo

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by Sideshow Bo » Wed, 27 Dec 2000 04:35:41


In case you haven't seen this:

http://www.motorcycle-dk.com/en/multimedia/

If GPL hasn't prepared you enough watch some of these videos...

SB.

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Jan Verschuere

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by Jan Verschuere » Wed, 27 Dec 2000 12:17:31

No need for shift-r on the 'Ring in real life Andre... as you can feel
exactly how much grip you've got left. And the fact you're in your own car
(which costs money), not immortal and subject to g-loads the track throws at
you, not to mention hundreds of km away from home and someone who speaks
your language/uses you currency, makes sure you approach the limit from the
right side.

If I can organise a meet with people from the online leagues I'm in next
spring... you comin'?

Jan.
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Andre Warring

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Andre Warring » Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:37:56

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 04:17:31 +0100, "Jan Verschueren"


>No need for shift-r on the 'Ring in real life Andre... as you can feel
>exactly how much grip you've got left. And the fact you're in your own car
>(which costs money), not immortal and subject to g-loads the track throws at
>you, not to mention hundreds of km away from home and someone who speaks
>your language/uses you currency, makes sure you approach the limit from the
>right side.

You're right Jan, but still a lot of accidents happen every year at
the Ring. And it's not allways the fault of the driver, it seems that
the combination of Porsches, motorbikes, Mini's and touring busses is
not the safest combination you can imagine.. :)

100% !! Just mail me when and where! I'm going to kick some ass in my
Peugeot 106 1.4 :)

Andre

Laurens de Jon

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Laurens de Jon » Wed, 27 Dec 2000 21:49:47


>I'm going to kick some ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :)

That's what you said earlier this year.  86 laps I've done since then and
still haven't seen you there!

By the way, 2001 opening times haven't yet been published, but Easter is a
fixture.  And Easter Monday is when the Grand Prix track is connected to the
Nordschleife.  I don't even know when Easter is, but I believe it's April,
so the Easter weekend would be an obvious suggestion.

Not that it's going to be quiet.

-Laurens de Jong.

Jan Verschuere

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:04:29

Might be a good day for watching, "schadenfreude ist die schonste freude".
;-)

Jan.
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Laurens de Jong wrote...

> >I'm going to kick some ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :)

> That's what you said earlier this year.  86 laps I've
> done since then and still haven't seen you there!

> By the way, 2001 opening times haven't yet been published,
> but Easter is a fixture.  And Easter Monday is when the
> Grand Prix track is connected to the Nordschleife.  I don't
> even know when Easter is, but I believe it's April, so the
> Easter weekend would be an obvious suggestion.

> Not that it's going to be quiet.

> -Laurens de Jong.

Jan Verschuere

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Jan Verschuere » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 00:34:27

True, what struck me though, apart from the number skidmarks leading off the
track, is the amount of risks other people were prepared to take. I'm having
a hard time believing anyone is dumb enough to really risk losing control of
his/her own car, knowing they need it to drive home in to boot. Like we
agreed on before, we're not talking professional racing drivers here.

True, IMO it would make good sense to at least seperate the cars and the
bikes. Speed differences between cars may be substantial, but at some points
on the track the bikes are at least 60mph faster than your average
production car. But keeping safe is largely your own decision... anyone who,
under those track conditions, goes in search of the traction limit or into a
blind bit at full chat is certifiable IMO.

Case in point I nearly punted a bike at the shortcut to Hatzenbach...
Because of another bike passing me in the preceding section, I was on a
shallow entry. This guy came up behind and misjudged it, he went around the
outside and cut across eventhough it was obvious (to me at least) that
unless I somehow turned way tighter than projected, our trajectories would
cross in the most painfull manner imaginable. I actually managed to pivot
the car around the turn and we missed eachother by about a meter. WAY too
close for my liking. Had I hit him, I doubt I'd have felt terribly guilty
about it. Under crowded conditions and with the mix of vehicles and
abilities present there, I think it's a mistake to think a certain piece of
track will be made available to you unless you really communicate.

Hmmmm... my 1.4 Nissan's heavier, but has a wider track... could be
interesting. :-))

Jan.
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David Mast

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by David Mast » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 06:26:59


[...]

I know you've responded to other posts questioning this point.  My own
experience from one trip to the 'ring...

Every lap I said "okay, I'll take this one easier".  Every lap I drove harder.
But no, I don't think I came too close to a limit, though my rental Audi A4
(1.6, oy!), was seriously scrubbing a few times. And I was putting a lot of
faith in the prep that the rental company did.  

While I was there, the track was closed twice (helicopters both times) for
accidents.  I also saw a Ford Cosworth smashed against the armco, and a GTi
spun right in front of me.

It's dangerous.  Fun, but dangerous.  I keep wanting to go back, but keep
feeling that maybe I shouldn't.

Laurens de Jon

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Laurens de Jon » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 07:00:55


>I keep wanting to go back, but keep feeling that maybe I shouldn't.

Welcome to the club.  I have a suspicion I'll be welcome you there again,
soon.

-Laurens de Jong.

Mark Seer

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Mark Seer » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 09:59:09

Still picking me up from the airport I trust <G>

MS

Andre Warrin

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Andre Warrin » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 19:37:28

On Tue, 26 Dec 2000 13:49:47 +0100, "Laurens de Jong"



>>I'm going to kick some ass in my Peugeot 106 1.4 :)

>That's what you said earlier this year.  86 laps I've done since then and
>still haven't seen you there!

You're right :(
I planned to go there a couple of times with a couple of friends, but
everytime it got cancelled for one reason or another :(

I didn't even know they connect the GP track to the Nordschleife..
How does it work exactly by the way, on the Nordschleife: You start
and finish on the long straight? The former s/f part is being skipped
now?

Andre

Laurens de Jon

21st B'day trip to the 'ring

by Laurens de Jon » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:00:15


>I didn't even know they connect the GP track to the Nordschleife..

For the public, the only time they do it is on Easter Monday.  For all races
that use the Nordschleife, except the 24-Hours, the sprint track is used
(properly named Nrburgschleife, using the short-cut after the Castrol-S to
get back to the Nordschleife). The 24-Hour race uses all of the GP Strecke
to add to the Nordschleife, just like it is on Easter Monday.

Yes, the start is about halfway up the long straight.  Then normally after
Hohenrain, you make a sharp right onto the Start/Ziel area, used between
1984 and 1998.  This is where you go straight ahead when the GP Strecke is
connected.

A friend of mine was once following a biker through Hohenrain who must have
not been aware the GP Strecke was not open to the public that day.  As my
friend turned hard into the T13 righthander, the biker was still going
straight, at speed.  It must have been an amusing sight.  No word on what
happened to the biker (there's enough space to brake before you run into
that wall there, though).

New ticket prices are up, by the way.  DM 22 for a single lap, DM 1025 for a
year pass.  That's a 3% increase.  I know where _my_ Christmas bonus is
going!

-Laurens de Jong.

Ville V Sinkk

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by Ville V Sinkk » Thu, 28 Dec 2000 20:00:51


> But no, I don't think I came too close to a limit, though my rental Audi A4
> (1.6, oy!), was seriously scrubbing a few times. And I was putting a lot of
> faith in the prep that the rental company did.  

What DO the car rental businesses of that part of the country think of
"you people" anyway? Common sense says that they'll bar you for life from
their shops if you mention the N-word within hearing range. .)

+Cinquo


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