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GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

idav

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by idav » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 04:03:16

Ohhhhhkay...right.

I've had this thing about a year now and every time I (tried) to play it and
be any good its ended up driving me nuts and acting like a bear with a wasp
up its bum. I used to get so pissed-off by my off-track antics that  I would
inevitably take a huff, blame "goddamned unrealistic" physics and delete the
*** asap.

But while tootling about in Le Mans (one constipated game going nowhere)
during the Christmas break I, in a moment of drunken stupidity  re-installed
GPL again for something to do.

Now I've decided to take a whole new arse first approach to getting up to
slow-mo speed with this thing by asking (begging?) fer some "glued to the
road" tips in my quest fer GPL respectability amongst you my peers or
er....if any of you know of certain utilities that'll help me in my search
fer frontwheel stickability by cheating.

Ian
GPL ***...again.

Jan Verschuere

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 05:26:22

Well,

No cheats available to stick the car to the road afaik, but what you can do
is use the engine changer utility to put an F3 or F2 engine into an F1
chassis. More grip + less power = easier to drive.

A setup trick to make the front of the car more *** in turn-in response
(generally speaking) is to run softer dampers at the rear then at the front.

Jan.
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RenderedBri

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by RenderedBri » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 07:50:17

You won't get any respect for cheating!

What you should do is start off by practicing in the trainer, until you can
handle it.  Then move up to the advanced trainer!

The thing to remember, these cars did not have the benefits of wings to
keep them stuck to the track!

The full spec cars have a lot of torque, which is difficult for novices to
handle!

So, practice, practice, and practice.

One thing that helps is to practice some laps without using the brakes!  Of
course, you will be slower, but you should be a lot smoother with the car.

Remember, take it easy!  These cars are very powerful!

enjoy the sim!

-
brian  

bob

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by bob » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 08:09:36

Get Alison Hine's setups for the Coventry.  Next best thing to
cheating.

                    bob

Laurence Wilme

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by Laurence Wilme » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 09:24:04


Are you quite sure that's the right way around? I've been working on
the principle that softer suspension at back or front would increase
the balance of grip (if any!) to the end you soften.??

(Not that any setup change helps me in the least - I have just GOT to
learn to brake smoothly and progressively in total absence of feedback
from brake pedal. Anyone got foam *** wedged under it?).

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Jan Verschuere

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 10:05:44

"driver reacts to stiffest end", I thought? Note I didn't say it would give
the front end more stick, just makes the handling of the car more front
dominated.

Jan.
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Eldre

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by Eldre » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 15:39:26



>One thing that helps is to practice some laps without using the brakes!  Of
>course, you will be slower, but you should be a lot smoother with the car.

*Without* the brakes?!?  Sounds like something I read on Nunnini's site.  I
didn't understand it there, either.  Sure, I can get through corners without
the brakes(except the hairpins, I guess).  But I'd have to let off way early
and coast through in granny mode.  What's the point in that?

Eldred
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Jan Verschuere

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by Jan Verschuere » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:09:10

Showing a slight lack of imagination there Eldred... :-)

Anyway, the object of the exercise is to force you to plan/look ahead and
concentrate on your sense of speed, rather than drive the track
geographically. The latter, as  you pointed out in another thread,  can be
dangerous if through a racing situation you lose sight of your "marker".

Ideally, you would use the marker not to control your actions, but rather as
a reminder for the action, the actual execution being controlled by your
sense of traction and speed.  It's bit of a leap of faith and it does take a
lot practise to acchieve, but it pays big dividends when you're trying to
apply pressure or dealing with varying vehicle characteristics (as in long
races where the startline weight is significantly higher than in
qualifying/practise).

RenderedBri

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by RenderedBri » Sun, 07 Jan 2001 20:13:31





>>One thing that helps is to practice some laps without using the brakes!
>> Of course, you will be slower, but you should be a lot smoother with
>>the car.

>*Without* the brakes?!?  Sounds like something I read on Nunnini's site.
> I didn't understand it there, either.  Sure, I can get through corners
>without the brakes(except the hairpins, I guess).  But I'd have to let
>off way early and coast through in granny mode.  What's the point in
>that?

True, brakes would have to be used for very sharp turns.   I suppose the
idea of driving like this is to make you drive smoothly and under control.

-
brian

Eldre

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by Eldre » Mon, 08 Jan 2001 06:53:46



>Showing a slight lack of imagination there Eldred... :-)

Probably...<g>

Hmm...sounds complicated.  Well, back to the track, I guess... :)

Eldred
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Txl

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by Txl » Mon, 08 Jan 2001 09:14:41

in theory if you make the back softer you will get a better turn in, but you
will understeer as soon as you touch the throttle coming out of the corner
(all the weight going to the back and the dampers not slowing down the
weight transfer...)



ymenar

GPL (re-installed) - question about er....aerodynamic stickability.

by ymenar » Mon, 08 Jan 2001 15:39:45


> Eldred
> --
> GPL F1 hcp. +28.80...

What the?

I take some vacation, have some fun partying and I come back to see THIS??
THAT?? Argh...

Oh the humanity!!!!!!!!!!!! ;-)  :-(   ;-D

You've passed me!

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