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Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

Joe Marque

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Joe Marque » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:29:31

First, it seems you're being purposely difficult and childish by stating
your specs are located in the thread.  Just post them here for simplicity.

Second, I looked at your posts and did not find your system specs other than
your graphics card (GeForce2).  Perhaps there are posts I cannot see on my
news server.  Either way, why are you playing these silly games?

--
Joe Marques


Iain Mackenzi

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Iain Mackenzi » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:41:51

No, never heard of them.  I've only ever played F1 2001.

Seriously, you really must have some problems or you're just having a laugh!
I assume the latter.

Iain

Iain Mackenzi

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Iain Mackenzi » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 15:48:58

That is nonsense!
It depends on the circuit, the degree of bumpiness, and most importantly if
the car has to turn.
In F1 2001, if you have to make any kind of turn on the grass or are turning
the wheel when going off then you'll spin and lose control .  Very subtle
control is then needed to keep yourself together.
This grass discussion is plain silly - I think Damien is going way over the
top on this one.
Iain


Andre Warrin

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Andre Warrin » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 19:41:52


>>> Those options are in the game - not that they really help.  The game looks
>>> like something from 1997 no matter what settings are used.

Check these pictures.. are you -sure- you have setup everything ok?
http://dynamic2.gamespy.com/~hg/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24394
Don't tell me you think this looks like a 1997 game..

Andre

Damien Smit

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Damien Smit » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:02:01

FINE!!!! HERE - READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!  COPIED FROM MY OTHER POST IN THIS
THREAD!!!!   (Sorry to shout, but it seems people replying to my posts are
in a daze)

"OK - I'm using an Athlon 800 with a 64MB GeForce 2 MX400 256 MB RAM.  One
of
my main gripes with GP3 is that it is limited to 25fps.  I think this may be
the only reason that some people might think F12001 is smoother since it has
no frame-rate limiting.  On my system, I can show a full grid (with full
detail) at 1024x768 without any slow down i.e. occupancy never goes over
100%.  F12001 runs at about 50-60fps when I'm the only car on the track or
if I select minimum detail (which looks appalling)  but with a comparable
level of detail enabled to GP3 full detail, the game is very choppy when
other cars are around.  TOCA 2 is a good example of a game that has a smooth
graphic engine - 60fps - constant."

Damien Smit

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Damien Smit » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:14:38

I used the grass merely as a blatant example of how 'arcadey' and
"un'sim-like" this game is.  But alas, it seems in this newsgroup that if
you make a comment about someone's beloved game, they defend it with their
life thowing all common sense and objectivity out of the window.  I still
haven't heard a sensible argument why this game is a better overall game
than GP3.  "..because it craps all over it" seems to be intellectual level
of most posters.

Damien Smit

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Damien Smit » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:20:59

No, I'm as desperate for a quality F1 sim as everyone else seems to be.  One
thing I have noticed is that whenever there are 2D graphics shown (as well
as AI cars) in the game there is immediate choppiness e.g. when a TV-style
split time is flashed up.  Anyone else have this problem and a possible
solution?

Andre Warrin

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Andre Warrin » Tue, 16 Oct 2001 20:56:14

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 21:02:01 +1000, "Damien Smith"


>FINE!!!! HERE - READ THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!  COPIED FROM MY OTHER POST IN THIS
>THREAD!!!!   (Sorry to shout, but it seems people replying to my posts are
>in a daze)

I neither got your original post on my server.. chill, this happens
sometimes.

Anyway, about your post:

I posted a link to some f1 2001 pics in this thread, but for easy
reference here it is again:
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~hg/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24394

Now you do agree with me that this looks better than the GP3 graphics
right? But what is even more important, the graphics of F1 2001 give
the feeling of 'being there', they give a good sense of speed,
something lacking in most other sims.
When you see pics of F1RC they look stunning, but while driving it all
looks a bit too cartoony imho. GP3 on the other hands looks ***when
you see screenshots, but it's not that bad at all when you actually
race.

It took me quite some messing around to get the quality of the
graphics in F1 2001 high while maintaining a high fps, but thanks to
the numerous posts on RAS about this I managed it.
I have a p3 866 GF2 GTS, and with most settings on high and max, f1
2001 is supersmooth with a full grid. I run in 800x600 res, in 1024
res the fps drops too much.
You say you need to set the graphics on minimum detail to get a good
fps. With your system you should be able to set the details much
higher while keeping a good fps. This just shows that -something- is
not setup correctly on your system. Try other drivers, the fraps
solution, the window mode solution, or any of the other solutions
posted here on RAS.

Andre

Dave Ryerso

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Dave Ryerso » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:07:09

On Sun, 14 Oct 2001 11:54:39 -0400, "JS \(malicious top poster\)"


>I completely disagree with your opinion almost point for point......

Well, I almost completely disagree. I have noticed the AI cheating by
cutting some of the corners at Albert Park (only track I've played so
far) and the grass is pretty easy to drive on. But, which is more
realistic? The grass in F1RC, for example, feels like you are trying
to drive through three feet deep in mud. Overall,  the AI is pretty
good in F12001 and is far more playable than the ***AI in F1RC *and*
GP3. What's really great about F12001 though is the driving model, it
just feels good. I re-installed F1RC yesterday after playing F12001
for a quite some time for comparison and F1RC is a kiddy arcade game
compared to F12001. F12001 may have a few rough edges, but overall
it's an outstanding sim and will only get better as the series
progresses.
Dave Ryerso

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Dave Ryerso » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:25:09

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:52:51 +0200, Andre Warringa


>It does, since you can also alter grip of the tarmac with an easy ini
>tweak :(

>Andre

Wish I could do that in GPL. I really like GPL, but you just touch the
edge of the grass in GPL and you are put into a spin. I doubt  that
aspect of GPL is realistic at all.
Dave Ryerso

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Dave Ryerso » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:26:53

On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 08:59:56 +1000, "Damien Smith"


>I guess I'd say GPL has the best grass realism.

Haha...read my previous post. Grass is not ice.
Andre Warrin

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Andre Warrin » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:33:37



>On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:52:51 +0200, Andre Warringa

>>It does, since you can also alter grip of the tarmac with an easy ini
>>tweak :(

>>Andre

>Wish I could do that in GPL. I really like GPL, but you just touch the
>edge of the grass in GPL and you are put into a spin. I doubt  that
>aspect of GPL is realistic at all.

Ofcourse I can't say if it's realistic in GPL or not (and neither can
Stewart :) but don't forget that modern tires have a tad more grip
than back in '67..

But realistic or not, thank god we can't alter the settings in GPL..
honest online racing and hotlapping would be impossible, and the
online community would never have become what it is now.

Andre

Olav K. Malm

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Olav K. Malm » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 00:33:37


> On Mon, 15 Oct 2001 00:52:51 +0200, Andre Warringa

> >It does, since you can also alter grip of the tarmac with an easy ini
> >tweak :(

> >Andre

> Wish I could do that in GPL. I really like GPL, but you just touch the
> edge of the grass in GPL and you are put into a spin. I doubt  that
> aspect of GPL is realistic at all.

Did you see CART from Laguna Seca yesterday. Some drives put one wheel
on the sand and spun. Looked pretty realistic to me.

And tweaking the game because you can't drive is like cheating in
solitaire. :)

--
Olav K. Malmin
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Joe Marque

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Joe Marque » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 01:05:47

Interesting and insightful point Andre.  The integrity of GPL allows us to
play on a level field so we can fairly compete and compare.  Without this
integrity, frustration and hostility would cause the "GPL Community" to
deteriorate.  Wait a minute, it already has ;-).

--
Joe Marques




> Ofcourse I can't say if it's realistic in GPL or not (and neither can
> Stewart :) but don't forget that modern tires have a tad more grip
> than back in '67..

> But realistic or not, thank god we can't alter the settings in GPL..
> honest online racing and hotlapping would be impossible, and the
> online community would never have become what it is now.

> Andre

Dave Ryerso

Another F1 2001 opinion (long)

by Dave Ryerso » Wed, 17 Oct 2001 02:16:00



>Did you see CART from Laguna Seca yesterday. Some drives put one wheel
>on the sand and spun. Looked pretty realistic to me.

Grass and sand are not the same at all.

That should be at  the users discretion.


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