rec.autos.simulators

> Speaking of the Ring, have any of you seen that new Saturn commercial
> where they test drive a Saturn at the Ring?  There's not a ton of
> footage, but they do show the car being driven through the Carousel (or
> perhaps the Little Carousel).

> Dave

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> David A. Ewing

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>> I hear also that cars running over the bridge of the banking would
collide
>with
>> cars below as the sim is not true 3d....don't know if thats true or not.

>This is based on the observation of somebody, who drove onto the bridge of
>Silverstone during a race. The AI cars running under the bridge tried to
>dodge him. (I haven't tried this little experiment, but I think it is
true).
>*BUT*, running over an object in the same track section as the AI is a
>different story than actually being in a totally different track section
>than the AI (as you were at the crossing in Monza). I don't believe that
the
>AI could 'see' you there. So I'm very optimistic, that a 'banked Monza'
*can
>be done* in GPL.
>BTW, I've just started writing an editor for *.trk files (which contain the
>physical layout of a track) just out of interest. If somebody had the
>knowledge of creating a track.3do file (which seems to be a *** thing)
out
>of a *.trk file, that would be a *big* step towards a working track editor.
>Sadly, all track editor projects seem to be dead. I only know two sites,
>which contain infos about track editing and both weren't updated for
months:
>Paul Hoad's Track Editor Project and Phil Flack's GPL File Formats.
>Does anybody know more sites with good infos about that?

>Peter (hoping a GPL track editor will become reality - sooner or later...)
>Vienna, Austria

> >> There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring.

> >And HOW many cameras would that take exactly...???

> Well, Frankenheimer had some cameras plus an aircraft or helicopter in
> Spa, and that equipment would have caught some nice pictures over at
> the Ring, too.

> --
> Matthias Flatt

> >1) Due to the "country road" nature of the circuit it was considered
> >imprudent to have unskilled drivers "race" on it because
> >2) If an accident occurred, getting an ambulance to the location then the
> >injured party to hospital could have taken excessive time.
> Well, if there were concerns about letting the actors drive around the
> whole Nordschleife in their fake cars or fit a camera to a real
> driver's car (that went wrong a couple of years ago when the camera
> fell off, causing crashes) there would still have been the option of
> taking spectacular pictures of the real drivers by using road-side
> cameras.
> For showing the actors driving, a camera mounted in the center of the
> Suedkurve would have been perfect.

> >All the other circuits used in the movie allowed for far easier
logistics.
> Spa and the Ring are both in the mountains, far away from major
> airports or cities.
> Some parts of the Ring are in the woods (eg. Kesselchen) , but the
> most interesting sections can be reached easily even with trucks.

> And the pictures from above, taken by Zeppelin, airplane or
> helicopter, used to be interesting in the 1930s, 1950s and 1990s.

> I just can't understand why Frankenheimer did not include it in the
> movie.

> >> >> There is no excuse for leaving out the Ring.
> >> >And HOW many cameras would that take exactly...???

> >> Well, Frankenheimer had some cameras plus an aircraft or helicopter in
> >> Spa, and that equipment would have caught some nice pictures over at
> >> the Ring, too.

> --
> Matthias Flatt

> Peter Prochazka kirjoitti viestiss? ...

> >> I hear also that cars running over the bridge of the banking would
> collide
> >with
> >> cars below as the sim is not true 3d....don't know if thats true or
not.

> >This is based on the observation of somebody, who drove onto the bridge
of
> >Silverstone during a race. The AI cars running under the bridge tried to
> >dodge him. (I haven't tried this little experiment, but I think it is
> true).
> >*BUT*, running over an object in the same track section as the AI is a
> >different story than actually being in a totally different track section
> >than the AI (as you were at the crossing in Monza). I don't believe that
> the
> >AI could 'see' you there. So I'm very optimistic, that a 'banked Monza'
> *can
> >be done* in GPL.
> >BTW, I've just started writing an editor for *.trk files (which contain
the
> >physical layout of a track) just out of interest. If somebody had the
> >knowledge of creating a track.3do file (which seems to be a *** thing)
> out
> >of a *.trk file, that would be a *big* step towards a working track
editor.
> >Sadly, all track editor projects seem to be dead. I only know two sites,
> >which contain infos about track editing and both weren't updated for
> months:
> >Paul Hoad's Track Editor Project and Phil Flack's GPL File Formats.
> >Does anybody know more sites with good infos about that?

> >Peter (hoping a GPL track editor will become reality - sooner or
later...)
> >Vienna, Austria

> > >A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can
> > >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was
> > >it, which car, did he survive?

> In the movie, it was James Garner's character, Pete Aron.  The entire
Monaco
> opening is absolutely spectacular, by the way.  Aron had a faulty
> transmission that caused him to slow after the tunnel resulting in a
> collision with his teammate, Scott Stoddard.  Aron winds up in the drink
and
> Stoddard climbs the hillside and flips, getting seriously injured.  The
team
> blames Aron and sacks him.  That's the reason for the animosity between
Aron
> and Stoddard throughout the film (not to mention the fact that Aron starts
> sleeping with Stoddard's wife ;-) ).

> And, no, you can't re-created this in GPL.  I had a similar accident once
and
> as I was hurtling towards the Mediterannean, I hit an invisible
force-field
> that kept me dry.  Bummer.

> > I don't know about the movie, but this has happened twice in real life.
> > In 1955 Alberto Ascari survived a "dunk" in his Lancia, only to die 4
days
> > later in a testing accident at Monza.

> This race was was just shown on Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsport" a
> couple of weeks ago (my cable TV supplier just added Speedvision in
> September!).  They didn't get the actual off on film, but they did show
the
> aftermath a few seconds later.  Frogmen who were standing by, jumped in,
> butAscari swam to a nearby yacht,

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> David A. Ewing

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> Apart from that, a great movie :).

> Chris

> > > >A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can
> > > >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was
> > > >it, which car, did he survive?

> > In the movie, it was James Garner's character, Pete Aron.  The entire
> Monaco
> > opening is absolutely spectacular, by the way.  Aron had a faulty
> > transmission that caused him to slow after the tunnel resulting in a
> > collision with his teammate, Scott Stoddard.  Aron winds up in the drink
> and
> > Stoddard climbs the hillside and flips, getting seriously injured.  The
> team
> > blames Aron and sacks him.  That's the reason for the animosity between
> Aron
> > and Stoddard throughout the film (not to mention the fact that Aron
starts
> > sleeping with Stoddard's wife ;-) ).

> > And, no, you can't re-created this in GPL.  I had a similar accident
once
> and
> > as I was hurtling towards the Mediterannean, I hit an invisible
> force-field
> > that kept me dry.  Bummer.

> > > I don't know about the movie, but this has happened twice in real
life.
> > > In 1955 Alberto Ascari survived a "dunk" in his Lancia, only to die 4
> days
> > > later in a testing accident at Monza.

> > This race was was just shown on Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsport" a
> > couple of weeks ago (my cable TV supplier just added Speedvision in
> > September!).  They didn't get the actual off on film, but they did show
> the
> > aftermath a few seconds later.  Frogmen who were standing by, jumped in,
> > butAscari swam to a nearby yacht,

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> > David A. Ewing

> > *****************************************************

> It's amazing how many of the greatest drivers died racing...

> speedracer

> > I always though that this part of the movie was really lame - I mean,
> Aaaron
> > is being LAPPED by his TEAMMATE, and he won't let him past? Of course
his
> > team fired him - who wouldn't? And some mechanic in the movie makes the
> > asinine comment "Pete still has a chance to win". Right. 1 lap down at
> > Monaco, where passing is impossible, the race almost over, and he still
> has
> > a chance to win. Sure, maybe meteors will fall on all the other cars and
> put
> > them out of the race :).

> > Apart from that, a great movie :).

> > Chris

> > > > >A dive into the harbour at Monca? That does sound spectacular. Can
> > > > >anyone please describe a little bit what happened? Which driver was
> > > > >it, which car, did he survive?

> > > In the movie, it was James Garner's character, Pete Aron.  The entire
> > Monaco
> > > opening is absolutely spectacular, by the way.  Aron had a faulty
> > > transmission that caused him to slow after the tunnel resulting in a
> > > collision with his teammate, Scott Stoddard.  Aron winds up in the
drink
> > and
> > > Stoddard climbs the hillside and flips, getting seriously injured.
The
> > team
> > > blames Aron and sacks him.  That's the reason for the animosity
between
> > Aron
> > > and Stoddard throughout the film (not to mention the fact that Aron
> starts
> > > sleeping with Stoddard's wife ;-) ).

> > > And, no, you can't re-created this in GPL.  I had a similar accident
> once
> > and
> > > as I was hurtling towards the Mediterannean, I hit an invisible
> > force-field
> > > that kept me dry.  Bummer.

> > > > I don't know about the movie, but this has happened twice in real
> life.
> > > > In 1955 Alberto Ascari survived a "dunk" in his Lancia, only to die
4
> > days
> > > > later in a testing accident at Monza.

> > > This race was was just shown on Speedvision's "Legends of Motorsport"
a
> > > couple of weeks ago (my cable TV supplier just added Speedvision in
> > > September!).  They didn't get the actual off on film, but they did
show
> > the
> > > aftermath a few seconds later.  Frogmen who were standing by, jumped
in,
> > > butAscari swam to a nearby yacht,

> > > --
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> > > David A. Ewing

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