rec.autos.simulators

by **BeBeBeelzeb** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:27:04

Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and charging
for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's worth
another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a
frame rate hit....what's the difference.
Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar for
Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the
books.....

by **The Other Larr** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 01:47:19

I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most driving
force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package.

No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I
understand why things are they way they are.

Maybe not. Who knows :)

-Larry

by **(Rich#8** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:12:18

exactly,, N2002 to me is a dumbed down version of N4, the cars seem
easier to drive,, and the menu screen graphics and button clicks are
just like Heat...

NASCAR4 + Heat patch=NASCAR 2002

but I will say the engine sounds are much improved..(in the replays it
sounds almost like a real live race,, amazing, they got that gurgle
sound in engine almost perfect) but the cars seem a lot tigher then in
N4, even with N4 setups,, these cars push wayyy more..

>Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and charging
>for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's worth
>another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a
>frame rate hit....what's the difference.
>Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar for
>Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the
>books.....

by **BeBeBeelzeb** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 03:12:36

Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell outta that
game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that they are
licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release this as
a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4....
N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to N2002...fisted
by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track pack/patch
for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online
racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay with N4..

says...

>I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most driving
>force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package.

>No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I
>understand why things are they way they are.

>Maybe not. Who knows :)

>-Larry

>> Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and
>charging
>> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's
>worth
>> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a
>> frame rate hit....what's the difference.
>> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar
>for
>> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like
>the
>> books.....

by **Jan Verschuere** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 04:25:04

There already is a Nascar for Dummies book, by Mark Martin +ghostwriter.
Pretty good actually.

Jan.
=---
"Pay attention when I'm talking to you boy!" -Foghorn Leghorn.

by **Philste** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 05:18:17

If they fix the idiotic AI, that may be worth the price of admission. I
tried running a 50% race at Richmond against a full field of AI cars...
guess what happened: when the AI cars reached their pit window, all hell
broke loose. It seems that they pit regardless of the position of other
cars around them. Other problem: I pitted before all this happened so I
was a lap down when the yellow came out.

I thought the patch had taken care of the problem. As is, it's still
unraceable offline when doing race longer than 35%...

> Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and charging
> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's worth
> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides a
> frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar for
> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes like the
> books.....

--
Philippe "Philster" Sergerie

by **Stuart Becktel** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 21:06:31

Patched and updated are the same thing....
-Stuart Becktell

> Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell outta
that
> game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that they
are
> licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release this
as
> a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4....
> N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to
N2002...fisted
> by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track
pack/patch
> for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online
> racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay with
N4..

> says...

> >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most
driving
> >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package.

> >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I
> >understand why things are they way they are.

> >Maybe not. Who knows :)

> >-Larry

> >> Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and
> >charging
> >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's
> >worth
> >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to
back.....besides a
> >> frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar
> >for
> >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes
like
> >the
> >> books.....

by **WingNu** » Thu, 03 Jan 2002 23:20:47

In all of my experience's patch's are normally bug fix's where updates are
usually program change's or addition's.

> Patched and updated are the same thing....
> -Stuart Becktell

> > Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell
outta
> that
> > game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that
they
> are
> > licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release
this
> as
> > a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4....
> > N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to
> N2002...fisted
> > by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track
> pack/patch
> > for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online
> > racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay with
> N4..

> > says...

> > >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most
> driving
> > >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package.

> > >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think
I
> > >understand why things are they way they are.

> > >Maybe not. Who knows :)

> > >-Larry

> > >> Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and
> > >charging
> > >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW
.....that's
> > >worth
> > >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to
> back.....besides a
> > >> frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> > >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to
Nascar
> > >for
> > >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes
> like
> > >the
> > >> books.....

by **The Other Larr** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 05:34:19

It might be a yearly license. Who knows?

-Larry

> Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell outta
that
> game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that they
are
> licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release this
as
> a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4....
> N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to
N2002...fisted
> by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track
pack/patch
> for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online
> racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay with
N4..

> says...

> >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most
driving
> >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package.

> >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I think I
> >understand why things are they way they are.

> >Maybe not. Who knows :)

> >-Larry

> >> Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and
> >charging
> >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's
> >worth
> >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to
back.....besides a
> >> frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar
> >for
> >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes
like
> >the
> >> books.....

by **Stuart Becktel** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 06:23:43

Guess you've never played a sierra product...

> In all of my experience's patch's are normally bug fix's where updates are
> usually program change's or addition's.

> > Patched and updated are the same thing....
> > -Stuart Becktell

> > > Ya but the license is already paid on N4 ...they can patch the hell
> outta
> > that
> > > game and not pay out any more cash....Is there more in this game that
> they
> > are
> > > licensing....besides paying DW....Hell drop that nonsense and release
> this
> > as
> > > a patch to N4....It is not an updated N4...just a patched N4....
> > > N2 to N3 big difference.....N3 to N4 huge difference.....N4 to
> > N2002...fisted
> > > by Papy.....If they really want our money, release this as a track
> > pack/patch
> > > for N4...That way we are all on the same page when it comes to online
> > > racing...Now some guys will be N2002....some like me will just stay
with
> > N4..

> > > says...

> > > >I think the underlying costs, mainly licensing, is probably the most
> > driving
> > > >force behind the need to sell NR2002 as a separate package.

> > > >No, I don't like it either. It's obviously an updated N4, but I
think
> I
> > > >understand why things are they way they are.

> > > >Maybe not. Who knows :)

> > > >-Larry

> > > >> Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4
and
> > > >charging
> > > >> for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW
> .....that's
> > > >worth
> > > >> another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to
> > back.....besides a
> > > >> frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> > > >> Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to
> Nascar
> > > >for
> > > >> Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow
boxes
> > like
> > > >the
> > > >> books.....

by **Ed Solhei** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 07:41:21

Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ?

Nascar Racing 1999 anyone?
How about Nascar Racing 3?
Or the CTR and BGN packages....

Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were....

--
ed_

by **John Pancoas** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 08:21:18

Yep, agreed.

-John

> Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ?

> Nascar Racing 1999 anyone?
> How about Nascar Racing 3?
> Or the CTR and BGN packages....

> Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were....

> --
> ed_

> > Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and
> charging
> > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's
> worth
> > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to back.....besides
a
> > frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to Nascar
> for
> > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes
like
> the
> > books.....

by **Dave Henri** » Fri, 04 Jan 2002 23:54:37

But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was
offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden Anniversary box)
Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy
incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price Sierra
has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full price,
it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay overpriced.
dave henrie

> Yep, agreed.

> -John

> > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ?

> > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone?
> > How about Nascar Racing 3?
> > Or the CTR and BGN packages....

> > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were....

> > --
> > ed_

> > > Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and
> > charging
> > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW .....that's
> > worth
> > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to
back.....besides
> a
> > > frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to
Nascar
> > for
> > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes
> like
> > the
> > > books.....

by **John Pancoas** » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 04:33:07

After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them; agree
with your statements Dave, I thought Ed's were the same, but now I think I
was mistaken :)

I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from what's
seen.........so far.

-John

> But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was
> offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden Anniversary
box)
> Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy
> incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price Sierra
> has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full price,
> it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay overpriced.
> dave henrie

> > Yep, agreed.

> > -John

> > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ?

> > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone?
> > > How about Nascar Racing 3?
> > > Or the CTR and BGN packages....

> > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were....

> > > --
> > > ed_

> > > > Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4 and
> > > charging
> > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW
.....that's
> > > worth
> > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to
> back.....besides
> > a
> > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to
> Nascar
> > > for
> > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow boxes
> > like
> > > the
> > > > books.....

by **Ed Solhei** » Sat, 05 Jan 2002 05:37:09

My point is....

If you were willing to fork out $50 (or what ever) for N3 - why not N2002?
If N2002 got what I think it got;
- tweaked physics
- new tracks
- new paintjobs & drivers (for you offline guys :-)
- "telemetry",
- new and imporved soundsystem
- better graphics
- new POV incar
- better AI
- Jaws' driving-lessons
*pluss*
the new replay export filters - that sounds like a whole lot of fun for
fifty bucks imho...

I would also guess that N2002 would be improved in other areas too, such
as multiplayer stuff and other "bugs"..

Just my ? 0.02 ofcourse.... :-)

--
ed_

> After re-reading the posts, I think I misunderstood some of them; agree
> with your statements Dave, I thought Ed's were the same, but now I think I
> was mistaken :)

> I'll probably end up getting it, but it's not worth $50, from what's
> seen.........so far.

> -John

> > But as I recall N1999 with 3 different leagues (WC, Busch, CTS) was
> > offered for sale at a list price less than N2 or N50(Golden Anniversary
> box)
> > Because it was just a minor repackaging...Here we have N2002, a worthy
> > incremental improvement, but certainly not worth the Highest price
Sierra
> > has ever charged for a racing title. N4, certainly deserved a full
price,
> > it was a big leap over N3. But N2002 strikes me as waaaaay overpriced.
> > dave henrie

> > > Yep, agreed.

> > > -John

> > > > Aint it funny how quickly people forget... ?

> > > > Nascar Racing 1999 anyone?
> > > > How about Nascar Racing 3?
> > > > Or the CTR and BGN packages....

> > > > Imho - NR2002 is no more - nor less than what they were....

> > > > --
> > > > ed_

> > > > > Holy ***I can't believe the Papy is putting out a PATCH for N4
and
> > > > charging
> > > > > for it........Oh add some cheesy driving instruction by DW
> .....that's
> > > > worth
> > > > > another 50 bucks or so.....Played both versions back to
> > back.....besides
> > > a
> > > > > frame rate hit....what's the difference.
> > > > > Hey Papy...like the subject says...change the name from N2002 to
> > Nascar
> > > > for
> > > > > Dummies...and package it in one of those annoying pukey yellow
boxes
> > > like
> > > > the
> > > > > books.....