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by **John Walla** » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>They chose to leave the intrepretation of the release date up to the
>reader. So it's not impossible, it is a fact that it's overdue as far
>as I'm concerned. If they don't like that they can provide a real
>"exact date".

LOL, that's great, I like it :-) I do hope that you're giving
yourself a suitably hard time about the "exact date" that you
estimated so badly?! Posting complaining messages about yourself and
agreeing with others who comment on your lack of perspicacity when it
comes to estimating the intangibles of software development?

I'll look forward to your complaints when GP3 doesn't arrive on
whatever notional schedule you've dreamed up in the absence of any
comment from GC - he's obviously leaving it open to interpretation for
whoever wants to.

Cheers!
John

by **John Walla** » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:38:51 -0600, "George Buhr II"

>As long as we are reminiscing, I remember a time when there was no such
>thing as a patch to begin with, it wasn't even that long ago. What you got
>was what you were stuck with, like it or not. Games were usually working
>correctly the first time out.

Isn't that the beautiful thing, N2 actually _is_ working correctly,
and the "patch" is actually an unpromised free upgrade to further
enhance the product in response to customer request.

Still get moaned at, but that seems to be the way of things. I'm sure
when it's released "_____________ will suck" (insert one of key flame
button words here).

Cheers!
John

by **Hena Hakkane** » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:38:51 -0600, "George Buhr II"

>>As long as we are reminiscing, I remember a time when there was no such
>>thing as a patch to begin with, it wasn't even that long ago. What you
got
>>was what you were stuck with, like it or not. Games were usually working
>>correctly the first time out.

>Isn't that the beautiful thing, N2 actually _is_ working correctly,
>and the "patch" is actually an unpromised free upgrade to further
>enhance the product in response to customer request.

John, I rarely disagree with your posts, but you this time you seem
to have short memory. N2 is indeed working correctly ... after a couple
of patches. And the patch that made an unplayable game to a playable
one was released approx. 6 months after the original release, IMO
6 months overdue ...

hena

by **Marc J. Nelso** » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

> Ever considered a career as a spin-doctor?

You recruiting? ;)

Cheers!

Marc

--
Marc J. Nelson
Sim Racing News - http://www.simnews.com

by Jo » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>Not to mention that what was posted to this group (with the "exact
>date" clause) was a private e-mail from a Papyrus employee, not a
>sanctioned release from Papyrus.

Just to be clear, I was reposting a public post from the 3Dfx news
server. It was not a private email to me.

Joe

by Jo » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>Heck we can toss around the semantics of it all day, but I see no
>reason for it. It will be released when it is finished and
>appropriate, and no beating each other over the head with dictionaries
>or grammatical fancy footwork will accomplish anything toward that.

Nor will your attempts to spin-doctor their broken promise accomplish
anything towards that. Give it a rest.

I'm not surprised. ;-)

Joe

by Jo » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>Maybe Papyrus doesn't want to release the release date until its
>ready...

FINE ... then just don't promise otherwise.

Joe

by **John Walla** » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>Nor will your attempts to spin-doctor their broken promise accomplish
>anything towards that. Give it a rest.

As soon as there is a promise that is broken I'll be right there with
you - until that time, who else is going to keep you right? ;-)

Cheers!
John

by **George R. Barto** » Thu, 19 Feb 1998 04:00:00

Hi All,

GOD I hope this patch is worth all the whining and crying that's been
going on for the last few months !!! It would be a shame if it doesn't
set the sim world on it's collective ears !!

Thanks,
(Waiting Patiently for GPL)

George

> On Tue, 17 Feb 1998 22:38:51 -0600, "George Buhr II"

> >As long as we are reminiscing, I remember a time when there was no such
> >thing as a patch to begin with, it wasn't even that long ago. What you got
> >was what you were stuck with, like it or not. Games were usually working
> >correctly the first time out.

> Isn't that the beautiful thing, N2 actually _is_ working correctly,
> and the "patch" is actually an unpromised free upgrade to further
> enhance the product in response to customer request.

> Still get moaned at, but that seems to be the way of things. I'm sure
> when it's released "_____________ will suck" (insert one of key flame
> button words here).

> Cheers!
> John

by **Bruce Kennewel** » Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:00:00

> of patches. And the patch that made an unplayable game to a playable
> one was released approx. 6 months after the original release, IMO
> 6 months overdue ...

> hena

No....the patch that made the game into a *SAVEABLE* game was released
then.
Not everyone had the "lurching" problem and we therefore quite happy to
run with the original game. I was one of the lucky ones.
The "save" patch merely enhanced the game....it alone did not 'fix'
anything.

--
Bruce
(Fyshwick)

"I hate music, especially when it's played."
(Jimmy Durante)

by Jo » Fri, 20 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>As soon as there is a promise that is broken I'll be right there with
>you ...

"Early 98" does not equal "exact date".

If I looked to newsgroups to be kept right, I'd be in serious trouble
don't you think!

Joe

by **Robert Forema** » Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:00:00

> >They chose to leave the intrepretation of the release date up to the
> >reader. So it's not impossible, it is a fact that it's overdue as far
> >as I'm concerned. If they don't like that they can provide a real
> >"exact date".

> LOL, that's great, I like it :-) I do hope that you're giving
> yourself a suitably hard time about the "exact date" that you
> estimated so badly?! Posting complaining messages about yourself and
> agreeing with others who comment on your lack of perspicacity when it
> comes to estimating the intangibles of software development?

> I'll look forward to your complaints when GP3 doesn't arrive on
> whatever notional schedule you've dreamed up in the absence of any
> comment from GC - he's obviously leaving it open to interpretation for
> whoever wants to.

> Cheers!
> John

YOU people who want a release date for this patch GET A LIFE It is just
a game. I love n2 as much as the next guy but i dont *** about all the
time. PAPY is doing all it can to get it out as soon as they can. So
stop all the ***ing and wait for it. I'm sure it will be worth it.

by **Nosfera** » Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:00:00

On Fri, 20 Feb 1998 00:45:17 GMT, Robert Foreman so self-righteously

>YOU people who want a release date for this patch GET A LIFE It is just
>a game. I love n2 as much as the next guy but i dont *** about all the
>time. PAPY is doing all it can to get it out as soon as they can. So
>stop all the ***ing and wait for it. I'm sure it will be worth it.

This thread has been dead for a while now. Wake up.
--
Nos

http://www.racesimcentral.net/~nosfer/index.html

by **John Walla** » Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:00:00

>"Early 98" does not equal "exact date".

No, but I don't recall that "early 98" being prefaced by "I do
solemnly promise you that...".

Yes, I would have doubts about anyone relying upon these for their
recommended daily intake of facts!

Cheers!
John

by **John Walla** » Sat, 21 Feb 1998 04:00:00

On Wed, 18 Feb 1998 18:47:50 GMT, "Hena Hakkanen"

>John, I rarely disagree with your posts, but you this time you seem
>to have short memory. N2 is indeed working correctly ... after a couple
>of patches. And the patch that made an unplayable game to a playable
>one was released approx. 6 months after the original release, IMO
>6 months overdue ...

Hi Hena,

We obviously have very different definitions of "unplayable". I found
ICR2 to be unplayable since the yellow flag and drifiting traction
problems ruined most races. N2 however I found to be very playable on
release. Sure it had problems (otherwise why patch it!?) but nothing
to make it unplayable.

Cheers!
John

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