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Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ#4395450

The best place to go specifically for NASCAR league discussion is at the
NASCAR 4 forum at Papy, look under the "League Discussion" folder at
http://www.papy.com/html/racing4forum.htm , there are lots of leagues
starting and recruiting there.

After looking at these places for a few minutes you will start to see more
and more links as you browse.

Best of luck

SR

The whole series would be a big snore if it weren't for the crashes anyway.
The cars are shit, the tracks are shit, the people who run NASCAR have shit
for brains, and the type of racing in general is pure shit.

David G Fisher

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Scott B. Husted
PA-Scott
ICQ# 4395450

| I'm working on a solution for this.  DeMONS/2 is a N4 Server manager
| that will eventually provide the same types of matching services as WON.
| Registration will be required, and some of the more stringent
| requirements will be:
|
|   1) You must provide a working email address for access
|
|   2) Free email domains like Hotmail, Yahoo, etc will be rejected
|
|   3) The central muzzle list will be controlled by email address
|
|   4) Only one user ID will be allowed for each email address
|
|   5) Periodic checks willbe mad to ensure that the user ID and email
| still match.
|
| I'm hoping that this will help reduce/eliminate the wreckers.  Of
| course, it will only work if the servers aren't registered on WON, but
| hey, we've already established that WON is not the best environment
| anyway, so I see that as no great loss.
|
|
|
| The ejection from a server lasts until the server is taken down and
| brought back up again.  As long as it stays up cycling through races,
| the ejection is in force.  You can always add the offending User ID to
| your muzzle list before bringing the server back up again.
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You guys want a better (and free) system that offers better racing, but
you're unwilling to comprimise. If I don't do what I have planned, then
RaceServer.net won't be any better of a racing environment than
Sierra/WON.  

If you want to exclude yourself, I guess that's okay with me, but when
it's ready, I'm going to register (yes, even I will have to register).

DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
  http://www.paddedwall.org/demons

DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 (in development)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2

Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast

If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
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Eldred
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Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +24.63...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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| Well, I can only say that the email addresses wil be used solely for
| identification purposes.  RaceServer.net is not affiliated with any
| entity outside of itself, and no communications (even concerning
| RaceServer) will be made to registered drivers, and email adfdresses
| will not be available to anyone, even N4 server owners.
|
| You guys want a better (and free) system that offers better racing, but
| you're unwilling to comprimise. If I don't do what I have planned, then
| RaceServer.net won't be any better of a racing environment than
| Sierra/WON.
|
| If you want to exclude yourself, I guess that's okay with me, but when
| it's ready, I'm going to register (yes, even I will have to register).
|
|


| > I like everything you have stated John *but* [yep there's a but] I'm not
| > happy with sending my personal email address out as if I get spammed
| > by a bunch of hungry -a-hole advertizers I suffer not the server!!  I am
| > apart of a really nice group now and we all use either hotmail or yahoo.
| > Once you learn about each other then email addys do not make much
| > of a diff' anyway!! jmho.. Thom_j.
| >

| > | I'm working on a solution for this.  DeMONS/2 is a N4 Server manager
| > | that will eventually provide the same types of matching services as
WON.
| > | Registration will be required, and some of the more stringent
| > | requirements will be:
| > |
| > |   1) You must provide a working email address for access
| > |
| > |   2) Free email domains like Hotmail, Yahoo, etc will be rejected
| > |
| > |   3) The central muzzle list will be controlled by email address
| > |
| > |   4) Only one user ID will be allowed for each email address
| > |
| > |   5) Periodic checks willbe mad to ensure that the user ID and email
| > | still match.
| > |
| > | I'm hoping that this will help reduce/eliminate the wreckers.  Of
| > | course, it will only work if the servers aren't registered on WON, but
| > | hey, we've already established that WON is not the best environment
| > | anyway, so I see that as no great loss.
| > |
| > |
| > |
| > | The ejection from a server lasts until the server is taken down and
| > | brought back up again.  As long as it stays up cycling through races,
| > | the ejection is in force.  You can always add the offending User ID to
| > | your muzzle list before bringing the server back up again.
| > <snipped for space>
| >
| --
| =========================================================
| Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
|   http://www.paddedwall.org/john
|
| DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
|   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons
|
| DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 (in development)
|   http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2
|
| Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
|   http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast
|
| If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
| above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
| =========================================================

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You have my vote!  If a person isn't willing to give you a REAL email address
then so be it.  They can't race.  I get about twenty spams a day and couple
more isn't going to make a difference.  Especially since I am one of the few
who have learned how to set my filters and spam goes right into the trash
unopened.  So do it your way.  I'm behind you all the way.

Dave Casey
Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
www.teamcasey.net
www.lvkc.com
www.buycoolcrap.com

I feel your pain Eldred.  What surprises me about the "drivers" in this
newsgroup that are bagging on me because of my outspoken views on this subject
is their apparent willingness to give up.  They say there is no way to combat
the wreckers so they are willing to just turn the pickup races over to them
and confine themselves to league races only.  For me, that is totally
unacceptable.  We've seen TEN, and although it wasn't perfect, it was a hell
of lot better than what we have now.  If we've had that kind of racing in the
past then we can sure as hell have it in the future and I, for one, am not
willing to roll over and say that it's pointless to even try to make things
better.  You want a cliche?  We give up and the wreckers have won.

I am looking forward, with great anticipation, for DeMON2 and hope it does
everything it hopes to do.  If you want to meet me, I'll be the one at the
front of the line to sign up.  No pushing and shoving now, there's plenty of
room for everyone.  As long as you can race clean and like gentlemen.  Jimmy
Spencer, you can't race with us.  ;o)

Dave Casey
Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
www.teamcasey.net
www.lvkc.com
www.buycoolcrap.com

I, like yourself, don't have the time to be always available on the
specific league events. I wholeheartedly agree that all it would take
would be to implement another level of damage, which in turn would be
more realistic. Surely we would all want more realism, no?

I can't really see the point in having so little damage to the basic
systems (engine, suspension) present. One argument could be the gameplay
reasons, but since people are disconnecting even when they spin and fall
behind a couple of seconds, I can't see many people willing to continue
after terrible crashing, even though the engine still works.

-Gregor

They could set up a separate arena (call it "Atlantis") that only allows
you to enter if:

  a) Your LPI is at least 50 (or higher?), AND

  b) You have raced in at least 10 (or more?) races for
     each track type.

They have access to these performance numbers, so it shouldn't be that
tough to implement.

Other changes that I think should be made:

1) Increase the number of drivers needed for rankings/LPI
   to be calculated from the current four, to ten (not
   counting AI of course).

2) Make the number of incidents per driver available in
   the exported race results files.

3) Provide a shortcut key for ejecting unruly drivers.  
   Maybe the grey minus key follwed by the car number
   like so:

       -38

   Having to type "!eject" is a pain while you're
   driving.

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Redneck Techno-Biker & "programming deity"
  http://www.paddedwall.org/john

DeMONS/1 for Nascar Racing 3 & Nascar Legends
  http://www.paddedwall.org/demons

DeMONS/2 for Nascar Racing 4 (in development)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/demons2

Barbarian Diecast Collector (460+ cars and counting)
  http://www.paddedwall.org/diecast

If you want to send me email, go to the first URL shown
above & click "Send Me Mail" in the contents frame.
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What should have been done is to count the LPI during offline races too.

Offline should count too. 10 races at Bristol and still have a LPI
under 50 ? Don't think so :)

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Olav K. Malmin
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Well even tho' I really like the new server setup idea Dave C I get over a
100 spams a day but I also am online with this thing sometimes 16+hours
a day. I am not complaining as this is my means to others many times but
its a pain in the azz many days! Its nice to have hotmail & yahoo thats
all..

| You have my vote!  If a person isn't willing to give you a REAL email
address
| then so be it.  They can't race.  I get about twenty spams a day and
couple
| more isn't going to make a difference.  Especially since I am one of the
few
| who have learned how to set my filters and spam goes right into the trash
| unopened.  So do it your way.  I'm behind you all the way.
|
| Dave Casey
| Casey#9 (NASCAR Racing 4)
| www.teamcasey.net
| www.lvkc.com
| www.buycoolcrap.com

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