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Magic moments (GPL)

Simon Brow

Magic moments (GPL)

by Simon Brow » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:43:57

Aliens?


Ian Riche

Magic moments (GPL)

by Ian Riche » Fri, 29 Jun 2001 22:48:14



> > Now if somebody could explain me how to take the tunnel just as fast
> > as the aliens do I would be very happy..  for me those hardest corner
> > of all GPL circuits to get right.. Either I'm too slow or I hit the
> > pavement on the left :(



Aliens = people who drive so fast you have to wonder whether they are
entirely human or not.......

Ian (currently at a GPL rank of +9)

Thom j

Magic moments (GPL)

by Thom j » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 00:47:59

Pierre I stopped for over 8months and I never went below a 10:24
at the Ring..Yuk  Now I'm down to a poor wapping 8:51 but I am
also busting my hump to get into the 8:30-40ish range! Phew! One
thing tho' I came from 229.93[4-19-01] down to 44.89[6-26-01]
So at least I'm going lower & lower. I see tho you are really down
there!! Woo!! So Good luck on your quest!
Cheers Thom_j.

| A big congrats...I guess we think alike because over the last two days
| I have also been making an attempt at getting back into GPL which I
| shamefully dropped 4 months ago when I stalled on my progress. Well I
| went and read abunch on GPL Foolishness and then tried his setups.
| Long story short I dropped my Ring time from dont laugh 9:16.xx to
| 9:00.61 after a bunch of laps the quick flying one felt so good. I
| have discovered a way to get even quicker for me and cannot wait till
| everyone leaves so I can get back to trying. Need everyone to leave so
| I can turn up the speakers<VBG>
|
| Only problem is that I forgot my login at GPL Rank so I had to start
| another login.
|
| PAPA DOC
|
| >Half an hour later, I'm thinking about the little mistakes I did on that
| >lap, so I have another go, 8:22.26 !  That's a full ten second
improvement
| >in one day.  New GPLRank +4.24 and I'm only a decent lap round Spa and
Rouen
| >away from going negative :)

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Jim Seamu

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by Jim Seamu » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:08:22

Eldred why not try the F2 around Monaco. You can concentrate more on your
*line* in the slower cars, and not have to worry so much about the wheelspin
when you put the power down. Two months ago I couldn't get through the
chicane *at all* in an F1 car (I'd take it in 3rd at half throttle and crash
3 out of every 4 laps), now after many laps learning the line in an F2 I've
been able to switch back to F1 and take the chicane at full throttle in 5th
gear :0) Not only is this quicker but it feels *great* :0) blasting through
there, a real buttock-clenching moment!

As a rule of thumb it seems that the F2 Ferrari is about 5 seconds/lap
slower than the F1 Ferrari at Monaco, so you should be able to tell when
you're quick enough in the F2 and you can get back in the F1.

HTH, good luck
Jim






> >> U show'off U hahaha!! Congrads :-)

> >Hehe :)  Thanks.  Just done a 1:28.32 at Monaco and my new GPLRank is
+2.55
> >:)

> 1:28 at Monaco?!?  How?  I'm a full *3* seconds slower than that.  At such
a
> short track, that's a HUGE difference... :(

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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> F1 hcp. +16.36...Monster +366.59...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats
you
> with experience...
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Eldre

Magic moments (GPL)

by Eldre » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:43:10



>Btw, Eldred did you ever beat your lowest lap-time in the Brabham
>at the "Ring" via a Lotus? If so are you going to post this replay too?
>I'd like to download it!! Tia.. Thom_j.

My best Brabham lap is an 8:48.58.  That's posted.  My best Lotus lap is
8.35.52, but that's not posted.  I think that was in a race, so I didn't post
it.

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Eldre

Magic moments (GPL)

by Eldre » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:43:11


Yep, I'm using Alison's Ferrari setup.  Ran a 30 lap race yseterday.  The
leaders were running 1:27-1:28.  My fastlap was only 1:31.xx.  I finished 5th,
1 lap down.  I was the last car running - all the rest disconnected.  It's
tough when the only cars you pass are those who quit.

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 01:43:10



>General Monaco advice  -  use first gear, get out of the slow corners as
>quick as possible (get on the power before you've rounded the corner, even
>if it's only 20% throttle).  If you struggle to take the chicane flat out in
>5th (something I struggle with as well) just back off the power (about 30%
>lift of the throttle) in the last 1 or 2 seconds before the chicane, so the
>revs are steady (not going up or down) and you'll find it much easier to
>guide the car through clean.

"Flat-out" in 5th?!?  I'm not even IN 5th...  I have to coast from right after
the tunnel exit to halfway down the hill...  The car ALWAYS wants to spin on
the chicane exit, which makes me even MORE tentative.  Maybe I'm lifting right
at the jump, which causes the problem.  I'll have to check that...

Eldred
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 02:27:40



>Eldred why not try the F2 around Monaco. You can concentrate more on your
>*line* in the slower cars, and not have to worry so much about the wheelspin
>when you put the power down. Two months ago I couldn't get through the
>chicane *at all* in an F1 car (I'd take it in 3rd at half throttle and crash
>3 out of every 4 laps), now after many laps learning the line in an F2 I've
>been able to switch back to F1 and take the chicane at full throttle in 5th
>gear :0) Not only is this quicker but it feels *great* :0) blasting through
>there, a real buttock-clenching moment!

>As a rule of thumb it seems that the F2 Ferrari is about 5 seconds/lap
>slower than the F1 Ferrari at Monaco, so you should be able to tell when
>you're quick enough in the F2 and you can get back in the F1.

I find the F2 cars tougher than F1 to drive as a rule anyway...  The
combination of that and the track itself means I don't think I've ever TRIED an
F2 at Monaco.  I'll see how it goes...

Eldred
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Simon Brow

Magic moments (GPL)

by Simon Brow » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:00:05

I'll have to check that, maybe I'm in fourth as well ;)


Peter Ive

Magic moments (GPL)

by Peter Ive » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:03:14





>>General Monaco advice  -  use first gear, get out of the slow corners as
>>quick as possible (get on the power before you've rounded the corner,
>even
>>if it's only 20% throttle).  If you struggle to take the chicane flat out in
>>5th (something I struggle with as well) just back off the power (about 30%
>>lift of the throttle) in the last 1 or 2 seconds before the chicane, so the
>>revs are steady (not going up or down) and you'll find it much easier to
>>guide the car through clean.

>"Flat-out" in 5th?!?  I'm not even IN 5th...  I have to coast from right after
>the tunnel exit to halfway down the hill...  The car ALWAYS wants to spin on
>the chicane exit, which makes me even MORE tentative.  Maybe I'm lifting
>right
>at the jump, which causes the problem.  I'll have to check that...

The more you lift, the more problems you'll have.  Obviously you can
lift under braking, but at any other time try not to lift completely.
Always have some throttle, even if it's only a little bit.  You'll find
the car is more balanced when taking corners etc and less likely to do
an unexpected turnaround.
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Simon Brow

Magic moments (GPL)

by Simon Brow » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:11:59

Ok, yes I am in fifth through the chicane.  I've cut the tunnel and chicane
section from my PB lap replay and uploaded it here -
http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/chicane.zip

It's probably not the best example, because I stay fully on the gas over the
rise (while off the ground), going against my own advice.  Also I don't lift
at all through the chicane, again going against my advice, but the lift is
only necessary to balance the car when you feel you're not going to make the
chicane otherwise.  I usually do have to lift off btw.


Simon Brow

Magic moments (GPL)

by Simon Brow » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 05:26:16

Just to clarify, I mean a ~30% lift, easing off the gas.
Andre Warring

Magic moments (GPL)

by Andre Warring » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 06:07:38



>> Great I gave you some encouragement Mike, but don't you dare break
>> that 8:10 before I do!! :)

>It seems that a great competition is starting at getting below
>8:10. (...Going back to practice at 'Ring ;> )

Damn, just did a pb of 8:10.04.. allmost there! :)

Andre

Thom j

Magic moments (GPL)

by Thom j » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 06:58:27

Peter, Using paddles instead of pedals I am always on the gas-brake
100% of the time but how much gas or how much brake depends on
the turns, curves, esses, etc.
Racing motorcycles was where I learned this & it worked for me via
GPL since day one. I call it my feather-gas'brake-trail'braking..lol :-)
Now I just have to findout why my 'wrotten times' aren't lower then
they are now. Grrrrr :o(.. Maybe my PC clock is wrong...eh? haha
Thom_j.

| The more you lift, the more problems you'll have.  Obviously you can
| lift under braking, but at any other time try not to lift completely.
| Always have some throttle, even if it's only a little bit.  You'll find
| the car is more balanced when taking corners etc and less likely to do
| an unexpected turnaround.
| --
| Peter Ives
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| If you know what's good for you, don't listen to me
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Eldre

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by Eldre » Sat, 30 Jun 2001 10:30:46



>Ok, yes I am in fifth through the chicane.  I've cut the tunnel and chicane
>section from my PB lap replay and uploaded it here -
>http://www.sbdev.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/chicane.zip

>It's probably not the best example, because I stay fully on the gas over the
>rise (while off the ground), going against my own advice.  Also I don't lift
>at all through the chicane, again going against my advice, but the lift is
>only necessary to balance the car when you feel you're not going to make the
>chicane otherwise.  I usually do have to lift off btw.

Yeah, I've seen fastlaps where the guy is full on the power from the tunnel to
Tabac.  Mind-blowing...I don't see how they do it...

Eldred
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