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Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

Dave Henri

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Dave Henri » Fri, 18 May 2001 15:33:36

  Marc here is a copy of some VROC chat that was posted on the Legends
Central forums.
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(Grant__Reeve) pez: i think so. the closer to 2ghz, the more likely the
whole timing system is going to fall over, due to the clockspeed of modern
CPUs overflowing a 32 bit integer
(Grant__Reeve) i seriously doubt that there would be any chance of a fix. we
had to fix that for N4, and it involved quite a lot of low level fixing, and
i don't think it would be approved to go do that to GPL

  The key line there is 'quite a lot of low level fixing'
translate that into TIME...time=money..we ain't got near enough.  Last time
I checked the donation thread at Legends Central they had 111
replies...that's less than 3000 US dollars...that, in programing terms, is
squat.(zero)
     and sqaut is the chance we have of seeing another update for GPL.
dave henrie


Thom j

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Thom j » Fri, 18 May 2001 16:46:09

Dave "O" Dave.. Why do you always sugar coat things? Cant you
ever be direct? lmao & <bfg> U R too much! Go Gett'em Buddy!
"that, in programing terms, is squat.(zero)"..... Too Funny!!!
Cheers Thom_j.

|   The key line there is 'quite a lot of low level fixing'
| translate that into TIME...time=money..we ain't got near enough.  Last
time
| I checked the donation thread at Legends Central they had 111
| replies...that's less than 3000 US dollars...that, in programing terms, is
| squat.(zero)
|      and sqaut is the chance we have of seeing another update for GPL.
| dave henrie

Herbert Pohl

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Herbert Pohl » Fri, 18 May 2001 18:00:11

Hmm... www.worldcharts.com gives GPL a Success Rate
(whatever this is) of 8.4%    ...   8.4% not 84% :(
while 'top' games are rated at 99.x - 100%

   Calis

Tony Whitle

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Tony Whitle » Fri, 18 May 2001 16:18:34

Agreed, if you're talking about paying a company to do this, but if the work
was done by an individual with Papy's approval (as was the case with the
Direct3D Rasterizer I believe) then that sort of money might be enough to
convince him to give up a few evenings watching TV.

Just my three ha'pence worth,

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Tony Whitley
GPLRank -0.16
1.4 GHz is just fine for me :-)

Robert Rosche

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Robert Rosche » Fri, 18 May 2001 19:38:36

I have not found a way to do so on my Asus P4T motherboard.  Lowest FSB
setting is 100 (100 x 4 = 400 "quadpumped").

Robert


Jagg

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Jagg » Fri, 18 May 2001 23:01:24

On Thu, 17 May 2001 06:38:36 -0400, "Robert Roschen"


>I have not found a way to do so on my Asus P4T motherboard.  Lowest FSB
>setting is 100 (100 x 4 = 400 "quadpumped").

400 is  the ram and not the cpu itself. Multiply the cpu clock cycles
by the FSB to get the cpu speed.
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Ian Greenwoo

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Ian Greenwoo » Sat, 19 May 2001 03:27:36

well all of this  topic  I  have  to  say is very disappointing
news. I had  looked  forward  to  (firstly)  and (latterly) had
great fun 'playing' GPL since  about  1996 when it became clear
it was under development.   I paid  30ukp for the game and have
had I would guess about 500ukp  of  enjoyment from it. I see no
reason NOT to  play  it  for  many  years  to  come  - there is
nothing comparable even remotely on the horizon.

Modern F1 (and consequently sims)  I  feel  have become far too
predictable and  boring   -  hell  the  tracks  do  not  have a
fraction of the challenge that  the  ring,  Spa, or many of the
other GPL ones do, not to mention the cars.

I am perhaps older than the average RAS GPLer and my hard drive
has been almost exclusively  race-sim  orientated from the days
of the original Indy 500.  From  1998  on  I built my machines to
handle papy sims at their  best (Celeron Rendition then Celeron
V3, now running AMD  Duron  o/c  to  1000  MHz with Geforce 2).
(Still not able to run N4 flat-out though ! ).

So what is the solution for our  happy band - I doubt very much
if another patch for GPL would ever appear - though I refuse to
believe that having done it  for  N4  it  would be THAT major a
programming job for GPL.

The solution however is probably  going  to be building bespoke
machines with a range  of  FSB/multiplier options so that CPU can be
run under 1.4 G if need be. Just checked that my ABIT KT7A RAID can
be underclocked to 500MHz. I won't upgrade motherboard for 2 years  I
guess, and even that future upgrade I will make sure  will  run
sufficiently slowly to run GPL, if no alternative is found in the
mean-time.

Finally I hope  this  won't  discourage  all  of  the community
producing tracks,  cars  and  other  utilities  for  GPL.  Your
efforts are so valued.

Just my ha-penny worth

Ian

Wayne Bradle

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Wayne Bradle » Sat, 19 May 2001 04:27:22

There you go Dave. Making sense again.

Wayne


>   Folks....you have got to get ONE thing through your heads.  WE here in
RAS
> are a very small-tiny-miniscule group.  How many GPLers are on Vroc each
> night?  About 100 to 200?  No mass market company can cater to a couple of
> hundred users.  IF EVERYONE here ponied up 500$ you probably couldn't even
> pay the building rent where the coding work would be done.  Would it cover
> the secretaries?  The accountants?  The taxes?  The benefits?  Would it
> cover the $$ that Sierra and it's Parent companies would require to
> supervise Papyrus?  Would the pitifully SMALL # of users here have enough
> cash to pay the Papyrus Coders to rebuild the GPL engine?  Would we have
> enough cash to pay for beta testing?  How about purchasing enough P4's
just
> to TEST the sucker...And will we have enough to cover the losses incurred
on
> Papyrus' next project while they put that aside to rework a game that was
a
> HUGE FINANCIAL FLOP 3 years ago?
>   Folks....asking Papyrus to continue development of GPL is just as silly
as
> demanding Rendtion support on N4.
> Can I be any more plain?   Building your own dedicated box with 1.33ghz
> processor and current generation vidcard makes FAR FAR more sense than
> expecting Sierra to release funds for further work on GPL.
> dave henrie

> > For GPL2 I'd pay $500. For GPL I'm perfectly happy maintaining the
> hardware
> > I've already got to keep it running, that ought to keep me going for
> another
> > 10 years or so. When I upgrade I'm going to have to go for a new Mobo
and
> > memory anyway, along with the cpu, possibly even a new power supply and
> > video card. I'm nearly all the way to a dedicated box at that point.

> > It's a solution that works for me.

> > KFG

Marc Collin

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Marc Collin » Sat, 19 May 2001 07:54:04

That was the whole point.  It would be flowed directly to the
programmers--who have already released "unofficial" patches prepared on
their own time.

Marc.



Dave Henri

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Dave Henri » Sat, 19 May 2001 09:26:15


  Don't worry I usually have about a 10 to 1 ratio of utter nonsense to
actual fact.
dave henrie

Phaso

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Phaso » Sun, 20 May 2001 07:12:29

Have you tried F1RC on full realism? it's freakin' tough! more difficult
IMHO than GPL.

    -Phasor

Tim Elhaj

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Tim Elhaj » Wed, 23 May 2001 14:04:14

It's a 1.2 AMD overclocked to 1.4. Yes, that's the coffee you're
smelling--maybe you should open your eyes now?


> Even AMD don't claim to have a 1.4GHz chip. Would you care to reconsider ?

> Ian

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Tim Elhaj

Please tell me this GPL won't run on P4 1.7 stuff is not true

by Tim Elhaj » Wed, 23 May 2001 14:06:43

No, you can't use Glide. It's only for 3dfx cards.

I'm surprised the MX isn't faster in GPL! I was considering getting rid of
my Voodoo5, but maybe it's still got a little life left in it yet. :)

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> "Tim Elhajj" wrote...


> > > marks, which do add something to the game) and the only time the fps
> drop
> > > below 36 is at the start when at the back of a large grid.

> > Really? I have a 1.4 AMD and it never drops below 36 unless I'm using
FSAA
> > and really high resolution, like 1600x1200. Usually I run it in Glide
with
> > 2x FSAA at 1280x1024, all options on, full field and don't see a
slowdown.


> with the D3D driver on my GeForce 2 MX. I do have 3D wheels. Reading the
> thread http://www.racesimcentral.net/'m not
> alone. I don't think I can use Glide with this card.

> --
> Tony Whitley
> GPLRank -0.16
> "On some laps I'd get as many as fif*** corners really right, but Moss,
he
> gets them all right on every lap" - Von Trips after the 1961 German Grand
> Prix.


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