Do any of you use the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz? I've been using the same SB
Live that I bought way back in Oct '98, and I'm trying to find an excuse to
replace it. Do you get 4-speaker sound in games such as NR2002, F12002,
etc?
I got the Cambridge FPS1800 speakers system and have to say it is the best
100bucks I've ever spent when talking about packaging and product quality.
No tools, 5 minute setup, and sounds like a 100 dollar speaker system. It's
smooth and flat(ish) and the crossover point is perfectly matched to the
satellites. You really won't miss that information above 12Khz. Shit, most
games don't even have sounds that go that high.
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"Racing! - Science for the action minded."
mark
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Joe Marques
> --
> Joe Marques
> > Do any of you use the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz? I've been using the same
> SB
> > Live that I bought way back in Oct '98, and I'm trying to find an excuse
> to
> > replace it. Do you get 4-speaker sound in games such as NR2002, F12002,
> > etc?
It's a great card for $79 (and that's the retail price).
The Win2K/XP Drivers are SOLID, and the hardware just plain works without
complaining about what slot it's in or any other nonsense.
It sounds great, supports 5.1, and has all the inputs and outputs most could
ever want.
I watch Dolby Digital 5.1 and DTS 5.1 movies all the time and they sound
great.
Personally, I wouldn't hesitate for a moment in replacing an SBLive card
with a TBSC.
Yes, it does 4 channel 3D surround in NR2002.
-Larry
You'll be quite happy with the card and the company.
-Larry
> > Yes, it's an upgrade bc of lower cpu utilization, greater compatibility
> and
> > stability. I built a new machine last Oct. and opted for a TBSC since I
> > anticipated potential SBLive problems with my AMD rig (I sold my old
PIII
> > rig with the SBLive in it). I was astonished by the improved sound when
I
> > built the system. I felt as if I'd bought new speakers since they never
> > sounded so good using the SBLive. After my experience, I wouldn't go
back
> > to SB.
> > --
> > Joe Marques
> > > Do any of you use the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz? I've been using the
same
> > SB
> > > Live that I bought way back in Oct '98, and I'm trying to find an
excuse
> > to
> > > replace it. Do you get 4-speaker sound in games such as NR2002,
F12002,
> > > etc?
Everyone's system is different, especially under any old 9x version.
-Larry
> >I've been using the Santa Cruz for about a year, and couldn't be happier.
> >Don't have F1-2002, but do have N2K2. Former card was the SB Audigy.
> What OS are you using? The SC has driver issues under Win98 but is
> stable under WinXP. They have beta Win98SE WDM drivers out because
> the VXD drivers were such crap. Personally, I dumped my SC and got a
> Hercules FortissimoII because the drivers are rock solid under Win98FE
> and WinXP. Under Win98FE the SC vxd drivers will crash a number of
> games if you have hardware acceleration on.
The TBSC is a fine, worry-free card for most people, unlike the SBLive
cards.
-Larry
> >I know some folks using it under 98, and they say it's been just fine...
> >Everyone's system is different, especially under any old 9x version.
> >-Larry
> There are a number of games that crash with a BSOD on the SC under
> Win98. Just because your racing buddies haven't seen it doesn't mean
> it doesn't exist. I hang out in the soundcard tech group and know for
> a fact this problem exists and it has *NOTHING* to do with my PC.
Did I mention SB Live! cards? If they play the same games I have they
WILL have the same problems. I'm not talking out my ass. These are
researched and documented facts. Perhaps you can explain to me why the
same games that crash on a SC play fine on a FortissimoII on Win98
with the exact same hardware except the soundcard. Why do you think TB
have released beta WDM drivers for Win98SE? The drivers that crash
certain games are VXD drivers. Fort2 drivers come in one download for
all OS' and don't crash any games under any OS. The SC uses a slightly
more advanced chip than the Fort2 but in practical use and sound
quality it is not better to my ears. A soundcard guru in the soundcard
tech group swears the Audigy is the best gamer's card going and he's
tried most of the others too. But I'm happy with my Fort2 for now. SC
is a great card under 2K/XP, I'm just saying do not buy it if you use
Win98 and play a lot of different games. Disabling hardware
acceleration is not a desirable option. And that's what proves it's
the soundcard drivers and not my PC. By disabling HA I can make any
game play nice with the SC under Win98. That's a driver problems and
not hardware. Do you run Win98 Larry?
The Santa Cruz has already been received and installed, and WinXP is the
operating system, and everything is working great. I apologize for starting
this mess! ;-)
> >And just because YOU have a problem with it, doesn't mean everyone else
> >will.
> >The TBSC is a fine, worry-free card for most people, unlike the SBLive
> >cards.
> >-Larry
> Did I mention SB Live! cards? If they play the same games I have they
> WILL have the same problems. I'm not talking out my ass. These are
> researched and documented facts. Perhaps you can explain to me why the
> same games that crash on a SC play fine on a FortissimoII on Win98
> with the exact same hardware except the soundcard. Why do you think TB
> have released beta WDM drivers for Win98SE? The drivers that crash
> certain games are VXD drivers. Fort2 drivers come in one download for
> all OS' and don't crash any games under any OS. The SC uses a slightly
> more advanced chip than the Fort2 but in practical use and sound
> quality it is not better to my ears. A soundcard guru in the soundcard
> tech group swears the Audigy is the best gamer's card going and he's
> tried most of the others too. But I'm happy with my Fort2 for now. SC
> is a great card under 2K/XP, I'm just saying do not buy it if you use
> Win98 and play a lot of different games. Disabling hardware
> acceleration is not a desirable option. And that's what proves it's
> the soundcard drivers and not my PC. By disabling HA I can make any
> game play nice with the SC under Win98. That's a driver problems and
> not hardware. Do you run Win98 Larry?
-Larry
> The Santa Cruz has already been received and installed, and WinXP is the
> operating system, and everything is working great. I apologize for
starting
> this mess! ;-)
> > >And just because YOU have a problem with it, doesn't mean everyone else
> > >will.
> > >The TBSC is a fine, worry-free card for most people, unlike the SBLive
> > >cards.
> > >-Larry
> > Did I mention SB Live! cards? If they play the same games I have they
> > WILL have the same problems. I'm not talking out my ass. These are
> > researched and documented facts. Perhaps you can explain to me why the
> > same games that crash on a SC play fine on a FortissimoII on Win98
> > with the exact same hardware except the soundcard. Why do you think TB
> > have released beta WDM drivers for Win98SE? The drivers that crash
> > certain games are VXD drivers. Fort2 drivers come in one download for
> > all OS' and don't crash any games under any OS. The SC uses a slightly
> > more advanced chip than the Fort2 but in practical use and sound
> > quality it is not better to my ears. A soundcard guru in the soundcard
> > tech group swears the Audigy is the best gamer's card going and he's
> > tried most of the others too. But I'm happy with my Fort2 for now. SC
> > is a great card under 2K/XP, I'm just saying do not buy it if you use
> > Win98 and play a lot of different games. Disabling hardware
> > acceleration is not a desirable option. And that's what proves it's
> > the soundcard drivers and not my PC. By disabling HA I can make any
> > game play nice with the SC under Win98. That's a driver problems and
> > not hardware. Do you run Win98 Larry?
No biggy. It's just standard procedure for usent. :-)
Good choice - for WinXP.