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David G Fishe

RASCAR Reminder

by David G Fishe » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:30:18

I'm as disappointed as anyone about the Talladega race yesterday, but it
looks like many of us are overreacting a little.

I want to remind everyone that there have been 12 RASCAR races, and there
have only been two that have been a problem. Pocono and Talladega. All the
other races have been very, very clean. I don't think we need to make any
changes in race frequency or put limits on who can join. Talladega (and
Daytona) are tracks where people wreck, plain and simple. Even in real life
there are wrecks there (like last Sunday when half the field was
eliminated). I doubt you will ever see an online race at those tracks that
resembles the real race where the drivers go three wide around the track lap
after lap after lap.

Yesterday was a mess simply because people were being too agressive, maybe
looking to be the winner of the "big r.a.s." race. :-)

How come nobody makes a big deal out of how yellow free the races were in
the weeks before? Shit sells. :-)

I expect the following races to settle back down and be clean, competitive
races again. Maybe we can try Talladega again as a second race sometime soon
and see how it goes. Driven appropiately with good drivers, Talladega and
Daytona can be a real blast, as it was for me for about 25 laps in the
practice session.

David G Fisher

Phil Le

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by Phil Le » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:44:34



I definitely agree with this. A case of "if you fall off the bike, get right
back on again and try again". Of course some people would say "do or do not,
there is no try" :)

I was going to suggest we race there next week but then I remebered that I'm
not going to be around next weekend and I want another go. I'll be going to
Rockingham (the UK version) to watch the opening round of the ASCAR season.

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Phil Le

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by Phil Le » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 05:50:36


I forgot to add in my first post, why don't we follow the same schedule as
NASCAR for the first race? I really think it helps to understand the races
after you have driven them in NR2002. We have to watch out next week though.
The NASCAR race is on Saturday at 7:30pm EST.

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ymenar

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by ymenar » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 06:00:56


> Yesterday was a mess simply because people were being too agressive, maybe
> looking to be the winner of the "big r.a.s." race. :-)

That's absolutely normal for any Talladega race.  Everybody wants to go
upfront.  It has been like that forever online, since Hawaii.  On a given
race, even more with fixed setup, 90% of the field can win a race.  We only
know by name the opponents we have in that race, we don't know either their
skill or their style.

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by ymenar » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 06:01:49


> I definitely agree with this. A case of "if you fall off the bike, get
right
> back on again and try again". Of course some people would say "do or do
not,
> there is no try" :)

I guess some people read that a little too clearly before the race ;-)

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by MadDAW » Tue, 30 Apr 2002 08:08:03

I'll second that.  Now Tally was my one and only RASCAR race so far, so I
may be a little out of place here. I still had fun even with all the
problems. Granted the most fun I had was during practice. Eldred, Colin, and
I hooked up and just ran laps. We took turns swapping the front. We were
pretty quick and ended up getting up to 6 or 8 cars in a line at one point.
The race had its wild moments, but I wasn't too worried about it. My only
worry was I had to leave by 6 and with the cautions it wasn't gonna be over
before then. People that take this too seriously are what IMO have put a big
hurt on sim racing as a whole. Its a game people. There is not a single one
of us that is a Dale Earnhardt or Jeff Gordon. Hell most of us probably
aren't even a Shawna Robinson or Buckshot Jones. At least they don't wreck
on the pace lap. So there is no need to make this into something that its
not. RASCAR was created as a place to race and race hard without all the BS
of Seirra. So lets not turn it into that.

MadDAWG

Tom Pabs

RASCAR Reminder

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 01 May 2002 01:45:33

David...

I think you would have to agree that "rules" are as much a part of racing as
the cars, the drivers, the teams, the track....they are part and parcel to
an automobile race.  Even "Friday Night Destruction Derby" events at your
local dirt track.....have "rules!"

The RASCAR races already have a substantial set of "rules".....those are the
NASCAR racing rules coded into the sim.  It is clear if you've ever raced on
Sierra.com in an open pickup race......that those are not enough!  What are
we talking about here, a half-dozen guidelines to promote some fun,
competitive races on Saturday....among a group of sim drivers with varied
online racing backgrounds and experience?  If something is adopted as a rule
or guideline that does not work as intended, then remove it or change it so
it does work as intended.

A standard "RASCAR Drivers Meeting" form, simple to just fill out and post
weekly on RAS, with a set of "rules and guidelines" at the bottom for
everyone to see/review......simply allows the new guys joining the race each
week to see what is expected of them as a participant.....and reminds the
"regulars" of some things that might be unique to the RASCAR event.  There's
no "season points" involved, so all of this can be pretty simple stuff.

RAS is a public forum/newsgroup.  That means RASCAR races, by definition,
are little more than a public pickup race.....essentially anyone can join
in.  I think that's great......but does that mean that no rules or
guidelines are necessary?  I think not.

Its clear the cross section of participants on RAS is about the same as the
general world population.  A certain percentage of people don't like
rules....don't want to follow them....don't care about the chaos that
follows in their absence.  On the other end of the spectrum, is the abuse of
the "rule creation process".....by governing bodies/individuals.  Somewhere
in the middle is the rest of us.  This is pretty much a "given" and debating
about the need/no need for rules seems pointless to me.  So, I'm shutting
up.

Tom



Harja

RASCAR Reminder

by Harja » Wed, 01 May 2002 01:58:08

What rules you feel should be enforced besides the 'sim' rules?


> David...

> I think you would have to agree that "rules" are as much a part of racing
as
> the cars, the drivers, the teams, the track....they are part and parcel to
> an automobile race.  Even "Friday Night Destruction Derby" events at your
> local dirt track.....have "rules!"

> The RASCAR races already have a substantial set of "rules".....those are
the
> NASCAR racing rules coded into the sim.  It is clear if you've ever raced
on
> Sierra.com in an open pickup race......that those are not enough!  What
are
> we talking about here, a half-dozen guidelines to promote some fun,
> competitive races on Saturday....among a group of sim drivers with varied
> online racing backgrounds and experience?  If something is adopted as a
rule
> or guideline that does not work as intended, then remove it or change it
so
> it does work as intended.

> A standard "RASCAR Drivers Meeting" form, simple to just fill out and post
> weekly on RAS, with a set of "rules and guidelines" at the bottom for
> everyone to see/review......simply allows the new guys joining the race
each
> week to see what is expected of them as a participant.....and reminds the
> "regulars" of some things that might be unique to the RASCAR event.
There's
> no "season points" involved, so all of this can be pretty simple stuff.

> RAS is a public forum/newsgroup.  That means RASCAR races, by definition,
> are little more than a public pickup race.....essentially anyone can join
> in.  I think that's great......but does that mean that no rules or
> guidelines are necessary?  I think not.

> Its clear the cross section of participants on RAS is about the same as
the
> general world population.  A certain percentage of people don't like
> rules....don't want to follow them....don't care about the chaos that
> follows in their absence.  On the other end of the spectrum, is the abuse
of
> the "rule creation process".....by governing bodies/individuals.
Somewhere
> in the middle is the rest of us.  This is pretty much a "given" and
debating
> about the need/no need for rules seems pointless to me.  So, I'm shutting
> up.

> Tom



> > I'm as disappointed as anyone about the Talladega race yesterday, but it
> > looks like many of us are overreacting a little.

> > I want to remind everyone that there have been 12 RASCAR races, and
there
> > have only been two that have been a problem. Pocono and Talladega. All
the
> > other races have been very, very clean. I don't think we need to make
any
> > changes in race frequency or put limits on who can join. Talladega (and
> > Daytona) are tracks where people wreck, plain and simple. Even in real
> life
> > there are wrecks there (like last Sunday when half the field was
> > eliminated). I doubt you will ever see an online race at those tracks
that
> > resembles the real race where the drivers go three wide around the track
> lap
> > after lap after lap.

> > Yesterday was a mess simply because people were being too agressive,
maybe
> > looking to be the winner of the "big r.a.s." race. :-)

> > How come nobody makes a big deal out of how yellow free the races were
in
> > the weeks before? Shit sells. :-)

> > I expect the following races to settle back down and be clean,
competitive
> > races again. Maybe we can try Talladega again as a second race sometime
> soon
> > and see how it goes. Driven appropiately with good drivers, Talladega
and
> > Daytona can be a real blast, as it was for me for about 25 laps in the
> > practice session.

> > David G Fisher

David G Fishe

RASCAR Reminder

by David G Fishe » Wed, 01 May 2002 04:50:13

I agreed with just about everything you suggested in your "Restart" or Not!"
thread. Some rules and guidelines couldn't hurt. With this thread I'm simply
saying let's not overreact to the Talladega race and forget the other 10
races the were very, very, clean and competitive.

David G Fisher


> David...

> I think you would have to agree that "rules" are as much a part of racing
as
> the cars, the drivers, the teams, the track....they are part and parcel to
> an automobile race.  Even "Friday Night Destruction Derby" events at your
> local dirt track.....have "rules!"

> The RASCAR races already have a substantial set of "rules".....those are
the
> NASCAR racing rules coded into the sim.  It is clear if you've ever raced
on
> Sierra.com in an open pickup race......that those are not enough!  What
are
> we talking about here, a half-dozen guidelines to promote some fun,
> competitive races on Saturday....among a group of sim drivers with varied
> online racing backgrounds and experience?  If something is adopted as a
rule
> or guideline that does not work as intended, then remove it or change it
so
> it does work as intended.

> A standard "RASCAR Drivers Meeting" form, simple to just fill out and post
> weekly on RAS, with a set of "rules and guidelines" at the bottom for
> everyone to see/review......simply allows the new guys joining the race
each
> week to see what is expected of them as a participant.....and reminds the
> "regulars" of some things that might be unique to the RASCAR event.
There's
> no "season points" involved, so all of this can be pretty simple stuff.

> RAS is a public forum/newsgroup.  That means RASCAR races, by definition,
> are little more than a public pickup race.....essentially anyone can join
> in.  I think that's great......but does that mean that no rules or
> guidelines are necessary?  I think not.

> Its clear the cross section of participants on RAS is about the same as
the
> general world population.  A certain percentage of people don't like
> rules....don't want to follow them....don't care about the chaos that
> follows in their absence.  On the other end of the spectrum, is the abuse
of
> the "rule creation process".....by governing bodies/individuals.
Somewhere
> in the middle is the rest of us.  This is pretty much a "given" and
debating
> about the need/no need for rules seems pointless to me.  So, I'm shutting
> up.

> Tom



> > I'm as disappointed as anyone about the Talladega race yesterday, but it
> > looks like many of us are overreacting a little.

> > I want to remind everyone that there have been 12 RASCAR races, and
there
> > have only been two that have been a problem. Pocono and Talladega. All
the
> > other races have been very, very clean. I don't think we need to make
any
> > changes in race frequency or put limits on who can join. Talladega (and
> > Daytona) are tracks where people wreck, plain and simple. Even in real
> life
> > there are wrecks there (like last Sunday when half the field was
> > eliminated). I doubt you will ever see an online race at those tracks
that
> > resembles the real race where the drivers go three wide around the track
> lap
> > after lap after lap.

> > Yesterday was a mess simply because people were being too agressive,
maybe
> > looking to be the winner of the "big r.a.s." race. :-)

> > How come nobody makes a big deal out of how yellow free the races were
in
> > the weeks before? Shit sells. :-)

> > I expect the following races to settle back down and be clean,
competitive
> > races again. Maybe we can try Talladega again as a second race sometime
> soon
> > and see how it goes. Driven appropiately with good drivers, Talladega
and
> > Daytona can be a real blast, as it was for me for about 25 laps in the
> > practice session.

> > David G Fisher

Dave Henri

RASCAR Reminder

by Dave Henri » Wed, 01 May 2002 11:34:04


  The one that declares everyone has to have a weight penalty so I can keep
up...thats a good rule imho.
dave henrie

Eldre

RASCAR Reminder

by Eldre » Wed, 01 May 2002 13:14:03



>I forgot to add in my first post, why don't we follow the same schedule as
>NASCAR for the first race? I really think it helps to understand the races
>after you have driven them in NR2002. We have to watch out next week though.
>The NASCAR race is on Saturday at 7:30pm EST

That might change on occasion.  I'm in a GPL league that has races at 4pm
eastern.  I don't want to schedule a track that I like if I can't make the
race.
It's *good* to be the king...<g>
I think we did Rockingham already, but I could run it again this Saturday to
match the real race.  Second race?  Undecided as of now...

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David G Fishe

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by David G Fishe » Wed, 01 May 2002 14:02:31




> >I forgot to add in my first post, why don't we follow the same schedule
as
> >NASCAR for the first race? I really think it helps to understand the
races
> >after you have driven them in NR2002. We have to watch out next week
though.
> >The NASCAR race is on Saturday at 7:30pm EST

> That might change on occasion.  I'm in a GPL league that has races at 4pm
> eastern.  I don't want to schedule a track that I like if I can't make the
> race.
> It's *good* to be the king...<g>
> I think we did Rockingham already, but I could run it again this Saturday
to
> match the real race.  Second race?  Undecided as of now...

> Eldred

The next race is actually Richmond. We did Rockingham nine days ago.
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Tom Pabs

RASCAR Reminder

by Tom Pabs » Wed, 01 May 2002 16:04:22

I see......and I get your point....and think its a good one.  Sorry.

Tom



> I agreed with just about everything you suggested in your "Restart" or
Not!"
> thread. Some rules and guidelines couldn't hurt. With this thread I'm
simply
> saying let's not overreact to the Talladega race and forget the other 10
> races the were very, very, clean and competitive.

> David G Fisher



> > David...

> > I think you would have to agree that "rules" are as much a part of
racing
> as
> > the cars, the drivers, the teams, the track....they are part and parcel
to
> > an automobile race.  Even "Friday Night Destruction Derby" events at
your
> > local dirt track.....have "rules!"

> > The RASCAR races already have a substantial set of "rules".....those are
> the
> > NASCAR racing rules coded into the sim.  It is clear if you've ever
raced
> on
> > Sierra.com in an open pickup race......that those are not enough!  What
> are
> > we talking about here, a half-dozen guidelines to promote some fun,
> > competitive races on Saturday....among a group of sim drivers with
varied
> > online racing backgrounds and experience?  If something is adopted as a
> rule
> > or guideline that does not work as intended, then remove it or change it
> so
> > it does work as intended.

> > A standard "RASCAR Drivers Meeting" form, simple to just fill out and
post
> > weekly on RAS, with a set of "rules and guidelines" at the bottom for
> > everyone to see/review......simply allows the new guys joining the race
> each
> > week to see what is expected of them as a participant.....and reminds
the
> > "regulars" of some things that might be unique to the RASCAR event.
> There's
> > no "season points" involved, so all of this can be pretty simple stuff.

> > RAS is a public forum/newsgroup.  That means RASCAR races, by
definition,
> > are little more than a public pickup race.....essentially anyone can
join
> > in.  I think that's great......but does that mean that no rules or
> > guidelines are necessary?  I think not.

> > Its clear the cross section of participants on RAS is about the same as
> the
> > general world population.  A certain percentage of people don't like
> > rules....don't want to follow them....don't care about the chaos that
> > follows in their absence.  On the other end of the spectrum, is the
abuse
> of
> > the "rule creation process".....by governing bodies/individuals.
> Somewhere
> > in the middle is the rest of us.  This is pretty much a "given" and
> debating
> > about the need/no need for rules seems pointless to me.  So, I'm
shutting
> > up.

> > Tom



> > > I'm as disappointed as anyone about the Talladega race yesterday, but
it
> > > looks like many of us are overreacting a little.

> > > I want to remind everyone that there have been 12 RASCAR races, and
> there
> > > have only been two that have been a problem. Pocono and Talladega. All
> the
> > > other races have been very, very clean. I don't think we need to make
> any
> > > changes in race frequency or put limits on who can join. Talladega
(and
> > > Daytona) are tracks where people wreck, plain and simple. Even in real
> > life
> > > there are wrecks there (like last Sunday when half the field was
> > > eliminated). I doubt you will ever see an online race at those tracks
> that
> > > resembles the real race where the drivers go three wide around the
track
> > lap
> > > after lap after lap.

> > > Yesterday was a mess simply because people were being too agressive,
> maybe
> > > looking to be the winner of the "big r.a.s." race. :-)

> > > How come nobody makes a big deal out of how yellow free the races were
> in
> > > the weeks before? Shit sells. :-)

> > > I expect the following races to settle back down and be clean,
> competitive
> > > races again. Maybe we can try Talladega again as a second race
sometime
> > soon
> > > and see how it goes. Driven appropiately with good drivers, Talladega
> and
> > > Daytona can be a real blast, as it was for me for about 25 laps in the
> > > practice session.

> > > David G Fisher

Kosm

RASCAR Reminder

by Kosm » Thu, 02 May 2002 02:47:48

Hey Eldred, the real race is at Richmond this weekend, not Rockingham.

-Kosmo

Eldre

RASCAR Reminder

by Eldre » Thu, 09 May 2002 03:04:15


writes:

I believe you volunteered to post some suggested rules.  I mentioned that I
would like to see them.  I haven't seen them yet - did I just miss that post?
I'm still interested.

Eldred
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