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Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

Cory Dunkl

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Cory Dunkl » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 10:00:57

Hmm... I probably ought to. You are maknig me a little nervous. At the
moment I don't have any backups of my files. I have my really important ones
on both my main and secondary systems, but all my niceties such as mp3's,
patches, etc. are not backed up.




> > I don't like software that sits and scans in the background. That wastes
> the
> > power of my system IMO. Especially how Norton would come up and randomly
> do
> > really CUP/HDD intensive scans that would make *** and doing anything
> > else for that matter unbearable. If I come across a virus scanner that
> will
> > scan only when I tell it to (i.e. I will scan new files I have
downloaded
> > and periodically scan my system) then I will use it. Please do explain
to
> me
> > how a virus will get to me if I don't run the file that releases it on
my
> > system. If you can convince me of that then I will run Norton 2001.

> I couldn't help noticing that you (also) run OE5.5, i'm sure it wouldn't
be
> any trouble diging up a file that would run itself just by you looking at
> it. And don't come with that shit that you don't open unknown files with
> attachments, with some bad luck it's the only mail you recived since last
> time you checked your mail and that way OE opens it for ya.

> Trust me, get a antivirus program(i use Norton 2001 and are happy with it
> after 3 months) and set it up properly. It's better to be safe then sorry,
> i'm sure that alot of people in these 5 groups agrees with me.

> Henke

Aim7

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Aim7 » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 11:21:29

yeah, like i said in my other post, the preview pane/signature bug in OE
allows viruses in without you evening clicking the mail, OE opens it itself
right away

WScript.KAKworm is one of the most common exploits of it, and luckily isnt
that damaging, but there are others....

of course the patch will fix the security hole, so that will protect you
from that sort of virus by not running it automatically


> Hmm... I probably ought to. You are maknig me a little nervous. At the
> moment I don't have any backups of my files. I have my really important
ones
> on both my main and secondary systems, but all my niceties such as mp3's,
> patches, etc. are not backed up.





> > > I don't like software that sits and scans in the background. That
wastes
> > the
> > > power of my system IMO. Especially how Norton would come up and
randomly
> > do
> > > really CUP/HDD intensive scans that would make *** and doing
anything
> > > else for that matter unbearable. If I come across a virus scanner that
> > will
> > > scan only when I tell it to (i.e. I will scan new files I have
> downloaded
> > > and periodically scan my system) then I will use it. Please do explain
> to
> > me
> > > how a virus will get to me if I don't run the file that releases it on
> my
> > > system. If you can convince me of that then I will run Norton 2001.

> > I couldn't help noticing that you (also) run OE5.5, i'm sure it wouldn't
> be
> > any trouble diging up a file that would run itself just by you looking
at
> > it. And don't come with that shit that you don't open unknown files with
> > attachments, with some bad luck it's the only mail you recived since
last
> > time you checked your mail and that way OE opens it for ya.

> > Trust me, get a antivirus program(i use Norton 2001 and are happy with
it
> > after 3 months) and set it up properly. It's better to be safe then
sorry,
> > i'm sure that alot of people in these 5 groups agrees with me.

> > Henke

kukiso

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by kukiso » Mon, 09 Apr 2001 12:01:54

I may have been wrong. Perhaps this thread IS self perpetuating.


> Speaking from expirence Tom?

> Dave



> > "Paranoia" is a treatable disease.

> > TP

slowbr

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by slowbr » Tue, 10 Apr 2001 03:22:33

If your not a newbie and configure the virus software right it should
work fine and not suck up all your cpu.
I have NortonAV, mirc (downloading), icq, agent, realplayer, & sysmon
all running
now and processor usage is only 1-5%  on my slowass
p450.

Ive encountered 2 virus so far, in my 10+ years on the net so far.
hmmmmm, I actually think one was a backdoor and the other was
a virus (cih)

UFO

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by UFO » Tue, 10 Apr 2001 06:00:46

Think of it another way - does the company you bought your car off, continue
to pay for your petrol /oil. Does the printer comapny pay for your ink,
start looking at updates as a consumable.


Jan Verschuere

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Jan Verschuere » Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:20:26

Hehehe... very funny. I'll be watching for your posts like a hawk, funnyman.

Jan. ;-))
=---

Jens H. Kruuse wrote...


Ian

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Ian » Fri, 13 Apr 2001 03:08:00

On Sun, 08 Apr 2001 03:01:54 GMT, "kukison"


>I may have been wrong. Perhaps this thread IS self perpetuating.

You're right there fella.

my 2 cents.  most of it is unsubstantiated, and I welcome anybody who
wishes to correct me on whatever they like, but i've seen / read /
experienced a lot in my time to believe it 100% until proven
otherwise.  

1) It's crazy to use outlook after all the security leaks and
backdoors already documented and abused.  Even though MS has patched
most of them, how sure can you be that it won't be exploited in a new
way?  MS products are the main source of hackers attempts to cause
mischief.  Its not MS's fault, but if a hacker can cause mischief,
he'll put more effort into reaching a larger target audience.  Why put
yourself in the firing line.  If you're prepared to spend a fortune on
antivirus packages, buy yourself a decent (safe) alternative email
client.  I know outlook is pretty good and everything, but still...

2) less than 5% of all viruses actually infect & cause damage.  not my
figures folks.  I read it on one of the vendor sites(either
www.antivirus.com or www.kaspersky.com).  the rest are basically
dormant or contained and just added to the signature files just in
case they do spread.  when last did someone actually see the ping-pong
virus or plastique or even michelangelo?  *all* the top antivirus
vendors are probably good enough to handle viruses most users are
likely to encounter.  if you keep your pattern files up to date and
practise a bit of commonse sense in obtaining software (be careful
with astalavista and alt.binaries.*), you really shouldn't have a
problem.

3) Don't think that norton (or whoever) will save you 100% of the
time.  I stopped using Norton 5 when it wouldn't detect variants of
the word macro virii and repeatedly screwed up documents it was
supposed to be cleaning.  AVP and also PC-Cillin detected and removed
the virus simply and without fuss.  

4) also - regarding the downloads...the best provider, in my opinion,
provides updates daily and not weekly and is able to update the
program incrementally.  i hate downloading 2meg patches through the
modem just because the dll needs changing.  vendors that score well
imo in this regard are trend and kaspersky, but your mileage may vary.

5)  I happened to have GoBack installed on my machine when PC-Cillin
screwed up my pegasus mailbox.  i reverted back to a previous version
of the file using goback and recovered it.  You can also use these
types of tools to help you recover your machine even if for some
reason, a virus gets through and trashes your system.  So another
useful tool to protect yourself could be Roxio GoBack or Powerquest
Second Chance.  There was a comparison done by some testing labs
thingy and they recommended GoBack.

6) finally - as regards benchmarks - well, like statistics they should
be taken note of, but I wouldn't use it as a benchmark.  user
satisfaction and consistent magazine / web reviews as well as my own
experience does it for me.  a few years ago there was an incident with
dr solomon's and benchmarking that caused me to be suspicious of the
whole scene anyway so you can't be sure.

some poor sod is going to crit and flame me for this, but I really
don't care anymore.  the situation is a sad joke already.  as a
programmer, I can't believe that microsoft couldn't have prevented a
lot of this a long time ago.  macro viruses, active x, windows active
scripting, where does it end.  there'll probably be a new threat when
OfficeXP and Whistler arrive.

and just to acknowledge the newsgroup... and come back to earth...

I went through my old software and pulled out a copy of 4d stunts.
the one with the audi quattro, indycar, porsche 911, honda nsx, etc.
DSI software.  Somebody (eldred?) was mentioning slot cars the other
day.  Is there anything like that on the market today?  I mean with a
track editor and different cars, etc?  Simple to play, yet a lot of
fun?

regards all,
Ian

Eldre

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Eldre » Sat, 14 Apr 2001 11:40:11



>I went through my old software and pulled out a copy of 4d stunts.
>the one with the audi quattro, indycar, porsche 911, honda nsx, etc.
>DSI software.  Somebody (eldred?) was mentioning slot cars the other
>day.  Is there anything like that on the market today?  I mean with a
>track editor and different cars, etc?  Simple to play, yet a lot of
>fun?

Yep, I was the one who mentioned slot cars.  I've never played 4D Stunts, so I
can't give you a comparative game.  But, if you don't already have ReVolt(radio
control), that's worth a look... :)

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
with experience...
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Bryon Lap

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Bryon Lap » Sat, 14 Apr 2001 20:10:15

Is the the same one that has a Le Car too?  I think I had that game once.  Made a
bridge you had to jump with a windmill in the middle....



> >I went through my old software and pulled out a copy of 4d stunts.
> >the one with the audi quattro, indycar, porsche 911, honda nsx, etc.
> >DSI software.  Somebody (eldred?) was mentioning slot cars the other
> >day.  Is there anything like that on the market today?  I mean with a
> >track editor and different cars, etc?  Simple to play, yet a lot of
> >fun?

> Yep, I was the one who mentioned slot cars.  I've never played 4D Stunts, so I
> can't give you a comparative game.  But, if you don't already have ReVolt(radio
> control), that's worth a look... :)

> Eldred
> --
> Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
> Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
> F1 hcp. +28.67...F2 +151.26...

> Never argue with an idiot.  He brings you down to his level, then beats you
> with experience...
> Remove SPAM-OFF to reply.

Ian

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Ian » Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:30:00




>Yep, I was the one who mentioned slot cars.  I've never played 4D Stunts, so I
>can't give you a comparative game.  But, if you don't already have ReVolt(radio
>control), that's worth a look... :)

>Eldred

Hi,

Thanks.  Looking for the demo as we speak...

-Ian

Uncle Feste

Doesn't it make you WONDER who keeps making viruses??

by Uncle Feste » Sun, 15 Apr 2001 04:51:39

Go to RevoltHQ at http://216.240.130.113/

--

Fester





> >Yep, I was the one who mentioned slot cars.  I've never played 4D Stunts, so I
> >can't give you a comparative game.  But, if you don't already have ReVolt(radio
> >control), that's worth a look... :)

> >Eldred
> Hi,

> Thanks.  Looking for the demo as we speak...

> -Ian


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