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by **Eldre** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 13:40:46

>John... why so angry bud... are your racing days over?? lmao

>hey hey hey gooood bye.... EVERYBODY.. hey hey hey gooood bye.. cheater!

John isn't a cheater...

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by **Dave Henri** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 15:12:19

Sorry if my post came across as negative or blasting OLR. I was trying
to NOT to be attacking. I think I commented on how it would be "nice" if
OLR would release it's cheat checking program, but of course I wasn't
thinking of the whole picture...you probably would have to pay for such a
program and to just give it away was naive thinking on my part.
I don't run OLR for two reasons...well...three actually..:) 1. I have
a very irregualar work schedule so finding a consistant time to race is
difficult..2. I prefer road racing to ovals...3. I figure the skill level
of a 'pay to race' series has got to be high and committed. Well beyond my
skills....but I do applaud the concept and I really must say you have built
an amazing product.

dave henrie

by **Tim** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 17:02:32

Eldred, you can see everyone's ping rates in the race menu.

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by **Eldre** » Wed, 03 Dec 2003 03:11:21

Sure, but ping rate alone isn't always a determinant of how good someone's
conection is. Jan always had really high pings, but I don't think he got
disco'd often.
But yeah, that's something to look for.

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by **Goy Larse** » Wed, 03 Dec 2003 07:26:32

> Did you actually *read* John's post?

> It was responding not to your OLR newsletter post but your response to Ed -
> a well known and respected poster on this newsgroup, suggesting *he* was a
> cheat. Which is a pretty wild accusation to have made as a relative newcomer
> and anonymous poster to the group.

> If you did read John's post he is in agreement with the efforts to
> counteract cheating, which makes your subsquent post somewhat absurd.

> If you fill the need for a slanging match with John feel free, but the
> phrase "lamb to the slaughter" comes to mind.

Reading comprehension is overrated if you ask me, just read the first
few words and fill in the blanks yourself, makes for much more
entertaining reading and leads to some spectacularly amusing
arguments....for the bystanders :-)

Something tells me that our friend SPEED here has a temper, I know the
feeling....

Beers and cheers
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by **jon** » Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:07:27

Now this has to be the most thought provoking post I've read in a while.

just made me think you were an idiot over and over.

by **Paul** » Wed, 03 Dec 2003 09:57:09

I was talking about manually ejecting anyone who disconnects and re-connects
during the 10 minute practice session before qual. I don't know of any
automated way of blocking re-connects.

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by **Tim** » Wed, 03 Dec 2003 15:40:41

Maybe, if your running a league, and you have guys who get disconnects, AND you
can't be 100% + they are not hacking, you could require them to take a prov, or
even take a lap penalty.

If I got booted, I'd rather be allowed to reconnect, and take my lumps from
having to deal with a disconnect in the way of a racing penalty, than being
banned altogether.

Tough call either way but that might give a guy the benefit of doubt.

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> I was talking about manually ejecting anyone who disconnects and re-connects
> during the 10 minute practice session before qual. I don't know of any
> automated way of blocking re-connects.

by **SimRace** » Thu, 04 Dec 2003 03:11:25

You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then. There
are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the only way to
do it.

by **Paul** » Thu, 04 Dec 2003 09:25:39

Great idea, Tim. :)

Thanks!

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> Maybe, if your running a league, and you have guys who get disconnects,
AND you
> can't be 100% + they are not hacking, you could require them to take a
prov, or
> even take a lap penalty.

> If I got booted, I'd rather be allowed to reconnect, and take my lumps
from
> having to deal with a disconnect in the way of a racing penalty, than
being
> banned altogether.

> Tough call either way but that might give a guy the benefit of doubt.

> --
> Tim White

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:56:13

>Maybe, if your running a league, and you have guys who get disconnects, AND
>you
>can't be 100% + they are not hacking, you could require them to take a prov,
>or
>even take a lap penalty.

>If I got booted, I'd rather be allowed to reconnect, and take my lumps from
>having to deal with a disconnect in the way of a racing penalty, than being
>banned altogether.

>Tough call either way but that might give a guy the benefit of doubt.

Cool idea.

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 04 Dec 2003 13:56:12

>> Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting this.

>> Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about your
>> service.

>You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then. There
>are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the only way to
>do it.

Is there anyplace where us 'outsiders' can go to hear the whole story? I
probably wouldn't race with them because of the cost(it would be wasted money
in my case), but that doesn't mean I'm not curious...

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by **SimRace** » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 06:03:41

> >> Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting this.

> >> Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about your
> >> service.

> >You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then.
There
> >are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the only way
to
> >do it.

> Is there anyplace where us 'outsiders' can go to hear the whole story? I
> probably wouldn't race with them because of the cost(it would be wasted
money
> in my case), but that doesn't mean I'm not curious...

> Eldred

I am not the type to air dirty laundry in public Eldred. Suffice it to say
that my problem with OLR is more personal than professional, and goes back
quite a while, pretty much back to their humble beginnings in rural SC and
their original network problems with Quest. My main issue was with their LAN
event in Myrtle Beach a couple of years ago and some dood named Jamie
Blackmon (sp?) IIRC. It was a 'good old boys club' if you will, and if you
weren't privileged enough to be in it, tough luck.

Honestly, for their (OLR's) cost per person per month, you could pool that
money within a league, rent a good co-lo dedicated server somewhere and be
in total control. Stat scripts are a dime a dozen and the hierarchy of the
league would be in it for the racing too, not the profits. I don't care for
the commerical aspect of the whole deal and at the end of the day you have
to know that OLR's bottom line WILL superscede any of the users' concerns or
problems. Their recent concern with cheating within NR2003 is a positive
sign, but they are not the only group working on it and AFAIK are not the
only fix to it either. A league I run in recently had discussions about
changing over to them and cooler heads prevailed, and it was decided to stay
on the dedicated server/website system we were already into. We lost maybe 1
person over the disagreement, but I think we made the correct decision.

They may be able to stay around for a good while (I predicted their demise
before now and they are still going), it appears to draw a lot of newbs to
online racing and I guess it can be a good introduction to online racing,
but for those of us that were here before they showed up and know how things
can be without the influence of commercial interdiction, it isn't all that
appealing really. To each their own, but to me, it is really difficult to
beat a solid, member-run league on their own server with their own website.
Maybe it can serve a larger purpose and that is to be the best place for
pickup races? I don't know as I don't do that. Best of luck to them, but I
will never race there.

by **TDRacin** » Fri, 05 Dec 2003 07:43:23

You're right, having a league-run server is an alternative that works better
than anything else possible. The only thing I see that OLR would be good
for is pickup racing, but even then whenever I would log on there, it was
always a ghost town, so it's purpose for that wasn't any good either. While
I like the PPV aspect of online racing, the core group of sim racers that
made pickup racing fun isn't there anymore. I was a pickup racer from hell
on TEN (as well as running in many leagues), but pickup racing is nothing
like it used to be unfortunately.

"SimRacer"

> > >> Self promotion or not, I thought OLR was very helpful in posting
this.

> > >> Thanks for the info OLR. I've heard nothing but good things about
your
> > >> service.

> > >You have obviously only talked to people happy with the service then.
> There
> > >are those, myself included, that will quit racing if OLR is the only
way
> to
> > >do it.

> > Is there anyplace where us 'outsiders' can go to hear the whole story?
I
> > probably wouldn't race with them because of the cost(it would be wasted
> money
> > in my case), but that doesn't mean I'm not curious...

> > Eldred

> I am not the type to air dirty laundry in public Eldred. Suffice it to say
> that my problem with OLR is more personal than professional, and goes back
> quite a while, pretty much back to their humble beginnings in rural SC and
> their original network problems with Quest. My main issue was with their
LAN
> event in Myrtle Beach a couple of years ago and some dood named Jamie
> Blackmon (sp?) IIRC. It was a 'good old boys club' if you will, and if you
> weren't privileged enough to be in it, tough luck.

> Honestly, for their (OLR's) cost per person per month, you could pool that
> money within a league, rent a good co-lo dedicated server somewhere and be
> in total control. Stat scripts are a dime a dozen and the hierarchy of the
> league would be in it for the racing too, not the profits. I don't care
for
> the commerical aspect of the whole deal and at the end of the day you have
> to know that OLR's bottom line WILL superscede any of the users' concerns
or
> problems. Their recent concern with cheating within NR2003 is a positive
> sign, but they are not the only group working on it and AFAIK are not the
> only fix to it either. A league I run in recently had discussions about
> changing over to them and cooler heads prevailed, and it was decided to
stay
> on the dedicated server/website system we were already into. We lost maybe
1
> person over the disagreement, but I think we made the correct decision.

> They may be able to stay around for a good while (I predicted their demise
> before now and they are still going), it appears to draw a lot of newbs to
> online racing and I guess it can be a good introduction to online racing,
> but for those of us that were here before they showed up and know how
things
> can be without the influence of commercial interdiction, it isn't all that
> appealing really. To each their own, but to me, it is really difficult to
> beat a solid, member-run league on their own server with their own
website.
> Maybe it can serve a larger purpose and that is to be the best place for
> pickup races? I don't know as I don't do that. Best of luck to them, but I
> will never race there.

by **SimRace** » Sat, 06 Dec 2003 09:37:23

Thanks for the kind response. Normally I have to board up the windows and
keep the M4 by the bed when I pan on OLR...Nothing, in my long experience
(been around since just before TEN shut down), is as good as a friendly and
*professionally* run league scenario, period. And by professionally, I don't
mean compensated admins either, I mean to a higher and consistent standard
than the fly-by-night leagues that pop-up weekly, site hosted on free web
space and run on residential cable modem connected servers... :-) I also
mean run by guys that love it enough to get in there each night and mix it
up with you and not just cash the checks at the end of the month. But,
that's just me.