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by **John Simmon** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:17:17

Now, that was un-called for. I know for a fact that Ed doesn't cheat,
and you're an *** for even implying it.

Beyond that, (and you should read this several times just to get it
through your sloped forehead), nobody here said anything about being
"against servers running anti-cheat programs".

Finally, Ed is entitled to his opinion. If his opinion is that this
was a self-promoting publicity gimmick, then let him think that. I
saw it as a fair warning to the people who utilize this type of cheat
that their days are numbered on OLR.

I hope that OLR sees fit to share with us the people that are
cheating so that we can take measures to include these people in our
muzzle lists when we encounter them.

I hate to invoke the name, but the DMCA is a handy tool to pursue and
prosecute people because "cheating" is bypassing the protections
offered and implemented by the software, and it effectively deprives
other customers of the services they're paying for.

by **Paul** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:17:29

I'm in the same boat, Eldred.

In the WSRL, we use 90 minute practice sessions before qual and race. I'm
considering setting up my league server to run an 80 minute practice
session, shutdown the NR03 host, re-fire the host with a 10 minute practice
session (followed by qual and race), and not allow anyone to disconnect once
the server has re-fired the 10 minute session.

From what I read in Joe's message from OLR, that format would keep the
cheating at bay, correct?

-Paul Eigsti
-League & Server admin
Western States Racing League
www.wsrlracing.com
My e-mail address is false.
Please reply to this news group.

by **Schoone** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:28:34

Again, sorry if my original reply seemed so negative, it just seemed like a
"join OLR because only we can stop cheating" post.
That and the fact that I seem to get 1-2 emails a week now from some old
account I signed up with.

I appreciate everything people do for this sport but remember OLR is also a
commercial venture, not a community one so its a fine line IMHO. Perhaps
that is why you sometimes get the negative feedback.

As for your reply, it seems your as negative and bitter as those you accuse,
again that may be why you get the negative feedback.

by **SPEE** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:55:07

John-
who in the hell do you think you are you pompous ***. Where do you get
off calling me " and you're an *** " screw you bud. I take it your
another one of those lame ass cheaters. Actually I could care less what you
think of me and God Damn it, again... when I posted that newsletter. And
read very very very carefully... I WAS NOT PROMOTING OLR. That newsletter
contained some worthy reading material on cheaters...you dumbass. so chill
out.. man, your going to give yourself a heart attack if you keep lashing
out like that.

by **SPEE** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 02:55:08

John... why so angry bud... are your racing days over?? lmao

hey hey hey gooood bye.... EVERYBODY.. hey hey hey gooood bye.. cheater!

by **Mitch_** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 03:13:14

Don't let em get to ya Joe. You guys offer a terrific service and I for one
(and many other silent types) appreciate it. The info that was posted was
very helpful.

Thanks

Mitch

by **Mitch_** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 03:28:24

You can say WHATEVER you want about Simmons but he's not a cheater.

by **Tim** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:36:43

Joe, the problem with this logic is when it comes from a mindset, mostly one
that enjoys racing.

Most cheaters don't cheat because they can't drive fast any other way; they
cheat because hacking is where they get their pleasure.

You have to keep in mind that sims, particularly racing ones, are the only
*** genre where cheat codes are frowned upon. Just watch the next commercial
for some action game, or the next magazine issue for ***, and you'll see them
blatantly advertise cheat codes. It is part of ***, and something racing sim
enthusiasts will always have to deal with.

I applaud your efforts in maintaining the spirit of sim racing and I've told you
before; Don't get so upset when people flame you for 'not doing enough' or
whatever negative comes from your open forum and two, in my opinion, anyone who
offers a pay to play service for sim racing should be required to do everything
possible to maintain a standard of hack free racing.

You do it as good as anyone Joe. Just keep in mind, most people who support
you, they just choose to be silent about it, which I suppose is understandable
these days. :))

Keep up the good work.

--
Tim White

by **Tim** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 04:39:56

You know, that was such a big deal when TEN was around. That alone stopped a
lot of hacks until N2003 made it true Win native.

--
Tim White

by **John Simmon** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 07:16:15

Yah - you caught me. I'm the biggest ***in cheater out there, and
everyone that comeptes against me are just kidding themselves if they
think I'm gonna let them win any races...

"Actually", I don't know who the *** you are because you're hiding
behind some "lame ass" nickname. But you know what? You use the
same typing style as Don Wilshe, and that makes you an un-educated
loser AND an ***.

It's apparent that your attention span is exceeded by most single-
celled organisms, because you missed this part of my post:

Let me spell it out for you - I didn't say that I thought it was a
promotion gimmick. I said *Ed* did.

by **Tony Rickar** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 08:39:23

> John-
> who in the hell do you think you are you pompous ***. Where do you get
> off calling me " and you're an *** " screw you bud. I take it
your
> another one of those lame ass cheaters. Actually I could care less what
you
> think of me and God Damn it, again... when I posted that newsletter. And
> read very very very carefully... I WAS NOT PROMOTING OLR. That newsletter
> contained some worthy reading material on cheaters...you dumbass. so chill
> out.. man, your going to give yourself a heart attack if you keep lashing
> out like that.

Did you actually *read* John's post?

It was responding not to your OLR newsletter post but your response to Ed -
a well known and respected poster on this newsgroup, suggesting *he* was a
cheat. Which is a pretty wild accusation to have made as a relative newcomer
and anonymous poster to the group.

If you did read John's post he is in agreement with the efforts to
counteract cheating, which makes your subsquent post somewhat absurd.

If you fill the need for a slanging match with John feel free, but the
phrase "lamb to the slaughter" comes to mind.

Cheers
Tony

by **Steve Whitt** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 09:42:47

Speed,
you have no idea, do you? If you come in to a news group and call not one
but two people a cheater, you better have the proof, and provide it.
Otherwise, keep your mouth shut. Theres an old saying: "Know thy enemy".
And you just made minimum one enemy. I suggest you check around the sim
community and find out who the two people are, you called cheaters.
Actually, I encourage you to go to The Pits or Racesim Central formus with
your accusations, and see the response you get.

The majority of the posters in this ng are *** simmers, and we dispise
cheats. So I suggest you refrain from making baseless accusations if
someone has a different opinion than yours.

I applaud what OLR is trying to do. I hope it succeeds. I also hope that
they share with the whole sim community, any cheaters that they find and
ban.

Steve

by **Eldre** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:39:54

>I hope that OLR sees fit to share with us the people that are
>cheating so that we can take measures to include these people in our
>muzzle lists when we encounter them.

Definitely. Like someone else said, post the list!
But then you have to make *sure* the person is a cheater, otherwise you get
into slanderous comments...

Eldred
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by **Eldre** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:39:53

>I'm in the same boat, Eldred.

>In the WSRL, we use 90 minute practice sessions before qual and race. I'm
>considering setting up my league server to run an 80 minute practice
>session, shutdown the NR03 host, re-fire the host with a 10 minute practice
>session (followed by qual and race), and not allow anyone to disconnect once
>the server has re-fired the 10 minute session.

Can you block people from reconnecting in the game, or are you talking about
booting anyone who does?

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by **Eldre** » Tue, 02 Dec 2003 12:39:54

>So before there's another.. oh oh oh its a self promotion... BS... give it a
>break. If your against servers running anti-cheat programs then we all know
>who the cheater is. Like some else stated. There's not to much private or
>individual servers can do. So at this point sierra racing is still safe for
>cheaters unless the host knows what to look for. Such as racers
>disconnecting and reconnecting.

Problem is, how do you tell if someone disconnects because they're cheating, or
just because their connection is flaky? I'd hate to boot someone just because
he's having problems...

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