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> That's a good point.  I never really thought about the fact that
everyone's
> controller is different.  Some may be saying that it isn't a problem
because
> it may not actually be affecting them as much as others.  I also think the
> problem is worse because my wheel (LWM no FF) automatically springs back
to
> centre.  The more I turn right, the more force it requires.  That's not
the
> way it's going to feel in a "real cup car".  I'm not sure if other wheels
> are different or maybe the FF wheels aren't affected as much.

> I'm in no way saying the pull should be removed.  I just don't think this
> issue should be dropped because everyone is saying that's the way it's
> supposed to be.  This is a great sim and Papy has done some awesome work
> with this version.

> > Vintook.

> > Trust me, I know this.  I understand the realism part.

> > Everyone keeps ignoring the simple fact that not all controllers are
> alike,
> > and some need further adjustments to make the game enjoyable.

> > -Larry

> > > The pull to the left is realistic and after a while you will just get
> used
> > > to it. I don't even notice it anymore unless I join an arcade race
(then
> I
> > > keep smacking the wall cause I'm so used to the pull and it isn't
there
> in
> > > arcade). I don't see any problems with the controller screen or the
> range
> > of
> > > motion. It's exactly like GPL. If you think it should act more like N3
> > then
> > > you are out of luck. N4 is 180 degrees out from N3. The superspeedways
> > drive
> > > more correctly now then they ever did in N3. Mess with your car setup,
> you
> > > can do quite a bit to make it feel better and a few adjustments will
> help
> > > your controller feel better too.

> > > Vintook

> > > > My only complaint with N4 is the Controller code, and the fact that
> > > Papyrus
> > > > won't acknowledge the fact that not all wheels are THE SAME, and in
> > their
> > > > quest for 'realism' they have made some of our lives miserable.

> > > > All I want is the controller to work as well as it did in N3.  That
> > means
> > > > having a reasonable range of adjustment so the SuperSpeedways drive
> > > > correctly, and you don't run the whole track with 1/2" of wheel
> > movement.
> > > > 32:1 is NOT enough ratio in the current controller code.

> > > > The pull to the left?  Well, as I said, not all controllers are
alike.
> > We
> > > > NEED a controller trim-tab.

> > > > Other than that, it's fine.

> > > > Except for the boneheads online, of course.

> > > > -Larry

> > > > > You can't race with it. We're not good enough. People don't
respect
> > > other
> > > > > people enough. The setups don't work. The cars are too twitchy. It
> > will
> > > > > never work for online racing. You can't run close together. The N4
> > > online
> > > > > code isn't good enough and a LAN is the only place it can work.
> Unless
> > > > > you're a real Nascar driver you'll never see a good race. We're
just
> > not
> > > > > talented enough to make it work. Single car spins are just
something
> > > we'll
> > > > > have to deal with. Racing side by side is impossible.

> > > > > All things I've heard and at times even thought myself. Here is a
> > short
> > > > clip
> > > > > of a replay from a Phoenix race I ran the other night. Now I won't
> say
> > > > this
> > > > > race was perfect and we did have our problems, but this 20 lap
> segment
> > > was
> > > > > something else. There were a few runs like this in the race. I've
> had
> > > > > similar races at other tracks as well with this same group.

> > > > > http://www.racesimcentral.net/(4.5 meg)

> > > > > It can work.

> > > > > Tom

> >  What do you mean?  "the cars you race with"  is that the car you are
> >driving or the AI cars you are racing with on the track?    If you are
not
> >'feeling' the pull then you may have done a few things.  First check that
> >you are NOT racing in ARCADE mode.   Switch it off.  2nd.  check your
setup,
> >if you are using the EASY/SLOW setups, then the caster settings remove
most
> >of the pull.  So choose the fast or intermediate settups to feel the
pull.
> >and finally...you are using N4 right?
> >dave henrie

> Perhaps it's my wheel (MS SW FF - FF is turned on in N4) Dave.  I
> tried a fast and an intermediate setup and don't think I have noticed
> any pull on straight-a-ways.  Yes, I am in simulation mode.

> Thanks,

> -pw

> >> >This in a quote from Eddie Cheever about open wheel cars, but I
believe
> >it
> >> >applies to stock cars as well.

> >> >"Cars are set up so that if you were to let go of the steering wheel
on
> >the
> >> >straightaway, they would turn left by themselves. You're actually
holding
> >> >the car on the straightaway and then releasing it at the right moment
to
> >> >turn into a corner."

> >> I can't figure out how to get the cars I race with to have this
> >> realistic pull to the left feature.  Any ideas?

> >> -pw

> I agree with this statement 100%.  In my posts about this, I have tried to
> be VERY careful to keep the conversation limited to the CONTROLLER, and
not
> the viability of the setups/pull.

> We should simply have the ability to match our controllers to the way the
> game is acting, because the game certainly is NOT taking into account the
> many varying types of controllers people use.

> -Larry

> > I'm in no way saying the pull should be removed.  I just don't think
this
> > issue should be dropped because everyone is saying that's the way it's
> > supposed to be.  This is a great sim and Papy has done some awesome work
> > with this version.

>  and the banking of the track and the weight of the car being left side
>loaded and...there's probably a few more.
>dave henrie


>> The only reason that a race car pulls to the left by itself on a straight
>is
>> because of caster stagger

> What about tire sizes...? Arent those different on a NASCAR...

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> >  and the banking of the track and the weight of the car being left side
> >loaded and...there's probably a few more.
> >dave henrie


> >> The only reason that a race car pulls to the left by itself on a
straight
> >is
> >> because of caster stagger

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> >This in a quote from Eddie Cheever about open wheel cars, but I believe
it
> >applies to stock cars as well.

> >"Cars are set up so that if you were to let go of the steering wheel on
the
> >straightaway, they would turn left by themselves. You're actually holding
> >the car on the straightaway and then releasing it at the right moment to
> >turn into a corner."

> I can't figure out how to get the cars I race with to have this
> realistic pull to the left feature.  Any ideas?

> -pw

> Here is a short clip
> of a replay from a Phoenix race I ran the other night. Now I won't say this
> race was perfect and we did have our problems, but this 20 lap segment was
> something else. There were a few runs like this in the race. I've had
> similar races at other tracks as well with this same group.

> http://www.justracin.net/pho.zip (4.5 meg)

> It can work.

> Tom

> Since our club, Stock Car Pro Racing Club, put in a pretty strict rule
> about causing 3 cautions in 3 races and your outta-here.  We've
> benefitted with races that are in the 0 to 2 caution range :)  This is
> racing not just loly-gagging.

> Check out our new Replay of the Week -- 3 wide at Tally without an
> accident.

> http://www.scprc.com

> It does work when you have racers in the right frame of mind.

> Jason.

> > Here is a short clip
> > of a replay from a Phoenix race I ran the other night. Now I won't say
this
> > race was perfect and we did have our problems, but this 20 lap segment
was
> > something else. There were a few runs like this in the race. I've had
> > similar races at other tracks as well with this same group.

> > http://www.justracin.net/pho.zip (4.5 meg)

> > It can work.

> > Tom

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