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by **ymenar** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 05:34:50

> 4) For some reason the occasional brawls in NASCAR just don't
> bother me compared with the never-ending fights of Hockey. If you
> want a fight watch boxing.

pffftttt! If you want a fight watch hockey. Boxers aren't really fighting
;-)

Anyway, I like your analogy of why NASCAR is popular down there, knowing the
relative conservatism of Americans. Good points, they all can be applied to
most of motorsports.

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by **ra300** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:44:01

Is that your best argument?

by **ra300** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 11:45:14

>writes:

>>>writes:

>>>>NASCAR is not racing. It's a show. Racing is about turning left and
>>>>right. It's about a driver following another driver (for position)
>>>>for 40 laps and can't get by. Then he finally outbrakes him with an
>>>>incredible gutsy move and drives into the distance. And that's the
>>>>only pass for the lead! That's racing.

>>>I don't remember if you've said it before, but it sounds like you just don't
>>>like oval racing, right? Wouldn't matter if it was open-wheel, Nascar, or
>>>motorcycle racing.

>>I like oval racing. Especially in sims (cause they are so easy). I
>>just prefer a race at Road America or Silvastun.

>You actually like oval racing? Strange considering all the things that you
>DON'T like in NASCAR.
>Yellow flags
>Closely bunched cars
>Multiple lead changes
>Left turns only
>No racing in the rain(not sure if *you* said this...)

>All of these exist in Nascar, IRL, and some CART races. I'm curious how you
>could possibly like oval racing with all the things you DON'T like about it?
>Nothing personal, but that sounds like a contradiction...

There's a difference between real life (NASCAR) and computer generated
reality (sims like N4, NH, etc)

by **Wallac** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 14:09:36

Argument? No need to dispute facts unless your head has been buried in the
sand for the past five years.

> >Not to sound arrogant but it IS racing in the USA and well basically
thats
> >all that matters.

> Is that your best argument?

by **Eldre** » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 21:24:26

writes:

???
Ok, I must have misunderstood something. I thought you were talking about
liking real life oval racing, not sims. So, you like it in sims, but not in
real life?

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by **Mario Petrinovi** » Tue, 17 Jul 2001 19:26:29

I'm an old European and I'm watching F1 for allmost 30 years. And
I can say there's allmost no racing in F1 in last 25 years. If there was no
Micheal Schumacher there would be no racing at all. The concept is
simply wrong. You cannot race against car which is whole class faster
than yours. And allways is only one manufacter who is willing to invest
big money to made that car (Honda, then Renault, then Mercedes and
now probably BMW). Nobody wants to invest big money in a second
placed car.
Regarding strategy. There was a lot of strategy playing part in F1 30
years ago. Wherever there is equality you must play with little things to
help you to win. You have strategy in modern F1, but not during race.
It is pre season. If you manage to make contract with top team, you're
allmost 100% a winner. This is all the strategy you need in modern F1.
Senna drove for free in Williams, just to be in Williams. He knew that
in any other team his star would quickly pale (unlike Schumachers).
I wish Europe has NASCAR. And Cart too.

> Argument? No need to dispute facts unless your head has been buried in
the
> sand for the past five years.

> > >Not to sound arrogant but it IS racing in the USA and well basically
> thats
> > >all that matters.

> > Is that your best argument?

by **Marc Fraio** » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 04:20:31

Does anyone here remember Rob Moroso? He was an up-and-coming star in his
first year of Winston Cup, oh, probably 10 years ago. One night he got
really drunk, hopped in his (street) car, and got in an accident in which
he killed himself, a woman in another car, and a child in that other car.
What were the consequences of this? NASCAR named him Rookie of the Year,
posthumously. And _AutoWeek_ magazine did an expos on the DUI records
of the Winston Cup drivers; it wasn't pretty. Probably 1/3 or more
of the field at that time had multiple DUI convictions in their past.
The response from NASCAR? None whatsoever, as I recall. NASCAR does
not have the high ground on this issue.

Marc

by **Mike Grand** » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 06:03:45

I was a shortlived Rob Moroso fan. He had a good amount of talent and a
bright future. My son is 17 and just got his license. I can't preach to him
enough about drinking and driving. Back to your original question. I can't
provide an answer for what was done about it but I can tell you that the
times have changed and the drivers are under more scrutiny than they were
10-15 years ago. While I wouldn't say that it never happens I would say it
is probably rare that instances like these occur.

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> > 2) I haven't seen or heard of any NASCAR racers on *** esp.
> > while racing. Would a Darrel Strawberry get multiple wrist slaps by
> > NASCAR? I doubt it. Just too dangerous to allow that sort of thing.

> Does anyone here remember Rob Moroso? He was an up-and-coming star in his
> first year of Winston Cup, oh, probably 10 years ago. One night he got
> really drunk, hopped in his (street) car, and got in an accident in which
> he killed himself, a woman in another car, and a child in that other car.
> What were the consequences of this? NASCAR named him Rookie of the Year,
> posthumously. And _AutoWeek_ magazine did an expos on the DUI records
> of the Winston Cup drivers; it wasn't pretty. Probably 1/3 or more
> of the field at that time had multiple DUI convictions in their past.
> The response from NASCAR? None whatsoever, as I recall. NASCAR does
> not have the high ground on this issue.

> Marc

by **Razorbac** » Wed, 18 Jul 2001 18:37:59

The reason I like NASCAR more than the other racing leagues is because
I like the intensity of the 2 wide and three wide draft racing that
you do not see in F1 (even four wide).

For me NASCAR is just more intense. I like to watch F1 and CART as
well but NASCAR just gives me more tension. :)

The one thing that bothers me about F1 and CART is the way fans and
reporters of either league blast NASCAR and its fans.

NASCAR fans and media do not put down other leagues that way... the
entire Earnhardt Junior "fix" issue was perpetuated mostly by CART
fans (and some of the media that thinks CART is better). That has
given me something of a bad taste about that league.

RB

>Someone asked this question (why is NASCAR popular?) a week or so ago
>and there was a flood of the usual NASCAR hating posts.

>NASCAR does not deserve the abuse I've seen heaped on it here. It's
>down at the level of the folks who say we all like racing because of
>the crashes.

>I like NASCAR because:

>1. Half the field have cars that, properly set up and driven, could
>win the race. And sometimes the underdogs have the perfect race and
>win.

>2. The complicated strategy of setting the car up (for long runs?,
>for short runs?) and then adjusting it in pit stops to match the
>conditions during the race.

>3. The need to race the traffic as well as the track.

>F1 lovers seem to be NASCAR haters. Of the more popular forms F1 is
>my least favorite. We now have a whopping six cars that could win the
>race, up from the usual four (or two). And three of those drivers are
>second class citizens who know they are suposed to let their teamate
>finish ahead of them (even if Mika hasn't quite figured that one out
>this year). I'll still watch a F1 race on occaision, and going to
>Monza last year was a pretty neat experience, even if it was a lousy
>race.

>Some credentials: I like all forms of racing. I've attended many
>races:: F1: Watkins 1964 , Phoenix about 1990, Monza 2000, CART
>(Denver about 1991), NASCAR (Richmond 1997), IRL, Busch, World of
>Outlaws, Trans-Am (outside Montreal circa 1970), vintage, local stuff.
>I raced SCCA for 10 years. I sim (badly) GPL, NASCAR4, and GP3.

>I'm a serious motorsports guy. And I like NASCAR. I'm amazed that
>someone could hate NASCAR with a passion and like racing.

by **Eldre** » Thu, 19 Jul 2001 01:54:19

>The one thing that bothers me about F1 and CART is the way fans and
>reporters of either league blast NASCAR and its fans.

It goes both ways. Some NASCAR fans bash CART and F1(and their fans).

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by **Thom j** » Thu, 19 Jul 2001 04:21:36

I still say if you put a motor on it I'll watch it and 99.9% of the
time I get enjoyment out of it too! Bashing a motorsport is not
my "cup of tea."... They all take a degree of skill....Fact.. :-)
Cheers Thom_j.

| It goes both ways. Some NASCAR fans bash CART and F1(and their fans).
|
| Eldred

| >The one thing that bothers me about F1 and CART is the way fans and
| >reporters of either league blast NASCAR and its fans.

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by **Eldre** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 01:33:37

>I still say if you put a motor on it I'll watch it and 99.9% of the
>time I get enjoyment out of it too! Bashing a motorsport is not
>my "cup of tea."... They all take a degree of skill....Fact.. :-)
>Cheers Thom_j.

I'm the same way. F1, CART, IRL, NASCAR, motorcycle(although I think *they're*
crazy...<g>) I watch it all. I wish I could afford to DO it... :(

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by **Thom j** » Fri, 20 Jul 2001 09:07:21

Per chance Eldred were you pointing your finger at anyone
in particular when you stated motorcycle racers are crazy? :-)
Well Dammit Yes We Are!! :o)~

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| >I still say if you put a motor on it I'll watch it and 99.9% of the
| >time I get enjoyment out of it too! Bashing a motorsport is not
| >my "cup of tea."... They all take a degree of skill....Fact.. :-)
| >Cheers Thom_j.

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