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Why I like NASCAR (serious)

ra300

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by ra300 » Sun, 15 Jul 2001 09:39:03


>Someone asked this question (why is NASCAR popular?) a week or so ago
>and there was a flood of the usual NASCAR hating posts.

>NASCAR does not deserve the abuse I've seen heaped on it here.  It's
>down at the level of the folks who say we all like racing because of
>the crashes.

>I like NASCAR because:

>1.   Half the field have cars that, properly set up and driven, could
>win the race.  And sometimes the underdogs have the perfect race and
>win.

That's the case in CART.  Hint:  the best drivers always end up in the
best cars and win the races.  Believe it or not, the owners have an
eye for talent.

Same in any series.

And then the yellow flag comes out.  Leader built up a 25 second lead
that is now gone!!!

NASCAR is not racing.  It's a show.  Racing is about turning left and
right.  It's about a driver following another driver (for position)
for 40 laps and can't get by.  Then he finally outbrakes him with an
incredible gutsy move and drives into the distance.  And that's the
only pass for the lead!  That's racing.

NASCAR is a show.  Pure and simple.  It's fans judge a race by the
number of lead changes.  Does the best driver even win?  And what
about that pathetic points system?

Cliff Roma

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Cliff Roma » Sun, 15 Jul 2001 10:03:44

You are kidding right??  Please say it is so...

 >NASCAR is a show.  Pure and simple.  It's fans judge a race by the

So if the best driver starts near the back but can not pass due to the great
"following for 40 laps" and still ends up in 17th spot, Does the best driver
even win??

Thom j

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Thom j » Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:21:12

Britney's? :-)

| Monica's? hehe
| J. Janasov
|
| > I cant wait until they come out with HUMMERS {think about it..:-)..}
| >

| > | I truly feel sorry for anyone who cannot identify with HOOTERS!  You
are
| > | deprived my friend!  ;)
| > | Seriously... it's a restaurant chain known for its Chicken Wings and
| > | "***s" (IE - Non chicken, of the Female variety <G>)
| > | http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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Thom j

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Thom j » Sun, 15 Jul 2001 11:25:40

Welp, Golly Goober der ya go den!! :-)

| well we were at Sears Point.
|
| Dave

| > Yea he had to teach them all how to turn "Left & Right" hahahaha
| >

| > | You were an instructor? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm has me worried since I have
| > raced
| > | you online.
| > | Dave
| > |

| > | > Very nicely written, Bob.
| > | >
| > | > I also ran in SCCA for about 10 years, instructed too.  Welcome to
sim
| > | > racing!
| > | > Regards,
| > | > Tom Pabst

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Eldre

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Eldre » Sun, 15 Jul 2001 12:02:47


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I don't remember if you've said it before, but it sounds like you just don't
like oval racing, right?  Wouldn't matter if it was open-wheel, Nascar, or
motorcycle racing.

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ra300

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by ra300 » Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:42:28



That's the purest form of racing.  

NASCAR is not racing.  It's a mix between the WWF and saloon racing.

That wouldn't happen.  My analogy was say Gil De Ferran leading and
Michael Andretti in second place.

ra300

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by ra300 » Sun, 15 Jul 2001 22:43:25



>writes:

>>NASCAR is not racing.  It's a show.  Racing is about turning left and
>>right.  It's about a driver following another driver (for position)
>>for 40 laps and can't get by.  Then he finally outbrakes him with an
>>incredible gutsy move and drives into the distance.  And that's the
>>only pass for the lead!  That's racing.

>I don't remember if you've said it before, but it sounds like you just don't
>like oval racing, right?  Wouldn't matter if it was open-wheel, Nascar, or
>motorcycle racing.

I like oval racing.  Especially in sims (cause they are so easy).  I
just prefer a race at Road America or Silvastun.
Gene Bake

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Gene Bake » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 00:05:10

I'll try an answer your question from a slightly different prospective
i.e. not F1 vs. NASCAR.  I've only watched racing for about 4 months
now, actually this years Talladega was the first NASCAR race I ever
watched.  Having moved to ***ia recently you can't go anywhere
without seeing NASCAR paraphernalia.  You NASCAR aficionados of years
and years may disagree with my observations, but bear in mind my
prospective.

1)      Obviously the e***ment of close races and lead changes.
Watching the prerace show for Talladega I was expecting multiple car
pile ups based on what was being said.  I found the race exciting just
seeing how close they were and the fact that they didn't wreck.  I
know most found the race boring - not I.  

2)      I haven't seen or heard of any NASCAR racers on *** esp.
while racing.  Would a Darrel Strawberry get multiple wrist slaps by
NASCAR?  I doubt it. Just too dangerous to allow that sort of thing.  

3)      To my knowledge there hasn't been instances of NASCAR racers
hiring people to gun down pregnant girlfriends.  Why would I want my
kid growing up thinking these types were heroes anyway?  

4)      For some reason the occasional brawls in NASCAR just don't
bother me compared with the never-ending fights of Hockey.  If you
want a fight watch boxing.

5)      Football has been my favorite sport since my pre*** years,
but I'm losing interest fast.  Who do I root for?  Players who trade
teams constantly?  Hell teams seem to change cities more than racers
change cars (I know an exaggeration).  I suppose I could root for the
team mascot.

6)      Do I have to mention the lack of purple haired idiots and
pierced body parts?  I thought not.

7)      As a hard core conservative the semi-independence of NASCAR
and the racers attracts me.  Shucks it's not even politically correct.
At an energy conference recently somehow racing got brought up.  Some
female type bemoaned the wasted land space and energy spent on racing.
The discussion deteriorated when I asked how much energy the cosmetics
industry used (not that cosmetics could help this particular one much)
and wondered how much land area for shoes do we really need.

Well I could write more but I think you get my drift.  I can't wait to
see my first NASCAR race in Richmond this Sept.  My brother, who lives
in Daytona and doesn't follow NASCAR, actually WALKED to the last race
to see DE Jr win.  The dirty dog.

Regards


>Someone asked this question (why is NASCAR popular?) a week or so ago
>and there was a flood of the usual NASCAR hating posts.

>NASCAR does not deserve the abuse I've seen heaped on it here.  It's
>down at the level of the folks who say we all like racing because of
>the crashes.

>I like NASCAR because:

>1.   Half the field have cars that, properly set up and driven, could
>win the race.  And sometimes the underdogs have the perfect race and
>win.

>2.  The complicated strategy of setting the car up (for long runs?,
>for short runs?) and then adjusting it in pit stops to match the
>conditions during the race.

>3.  The need to race the traffic as well as the track.

>F1 lovers seem to be NASCAR haters.  Of the more popular forms F1 is
>my least favorite.  We now have a whopping six cars that could win the
>race, up from the usual four (or two).  And three of those drivers are
>second class citizens who know they are suposed to let their teamate
>finish ahead of them (even if Mika hasn't quite figured that one out
>this year).  I'll still watch a F1 race on occaision, and going to
>Monza last year was a pretty neat experience, even if it was a lousy
>race.  

>Some credentials:  I like all forms of racing.  I've attended many
>races::  F1: Watkins 1964 , Phoenix about 1990, Monza 2000, CART
>(Denver about 1991), NASCAR (Richmond 1997), IRL, Busch, World of
>Outlaws, Trans-Am (outside Montreal circa 1970), vintage, local stuff.
>I raced SCCA for 10 years.  I sim (badly) GPL, NASCAR4, and GP3.  

>I'm a serious motorsports guy.  And I like NASCAR.  I'm amazed that
>someone could hate NASCAR with a passion and like racing.

Target

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Target » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 01:00:10

It's the best restaurant in America!!!!!=)
Racer X
Veteran Sim Racer
#4 Corvette C5-R in the GTIC
#24 Monte Carlo in the DORL
Victory Lane-
http://www.geocities.com/MotorCity/Speedway/1423/

Wallac

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Wallac » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:05:05

Not to sound arrogant but it IS racing in the USA and well basically thats
all that matters.

istof

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by istof » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 02:28:39

i guessed some of you didn't read that whole sentence :)  I saw a
scene in austin powers with Rob Lowe & a bachelor party or something
at Hooters.  I guessed about the ***s & thighs.



>Britney's? :-)


>| Monica's? hehe
>| J. Janasov
>|

>| > I cant wait until they come out with HUMMERS {think about it..:-)..}
>| >

>| > | I truly feel sorry for anyone who cannot identify with HOOTERS!  You
>are
>| > | deprived my friend!  ;)
>| > | Seriously... it's a restaurant chain known for its Chicken Wings and
>| > | "***s" (IE - Non chicken, of the Female variety <G>)
>| > | http://www.racesimcentral.net/

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Regards all,
istoff
Thom j

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Thom j » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:21:31

TITS

| >What does Hooters make, for example?

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Thom j

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by Thom j » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 03:26:04

And dont forget Boot'tay either "istoff" YummmmY!!!!! hahaha

| at Hooters.  I guessed about the ***s & thighs.

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Dave Henri

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Dave Henri » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 04:58:50


  Tim Richmond was Nascar's Party Guy.  He died from, I beleive, Aids.  He
was known for women, *** and drinking while away from the track.  WHen he
died, almost the whole Nascar community tried to forget he existed because
of the Aids paranoia.  Except Kyle Petty.  Kyle had gone through periods of
short and longish hair, but after Tim died, he grew his hair out to it's
current length and he hasn't cut it since, that I know of anyway.

  No but the history of Nascar is rooted in gin-runners outracing the police
to deliver the goods from backwoods stills.
  There is an old joke about boxing and hockey...bascially like this...
  'I went to the fights last night."
  "really?  Any good fights?"
  'I'll say,  one got so rough a hockey match broke out."

   Ever wonder why the Longtime Nascar drivers refer to car #'s rather than
drivers?  In most interviews you'll hear that the 24 car or the 6 car are
really stout...not Gordon and Martin.  Drivers and teams change but since
the Nascar owners keep the car #'s, some continuity can be had.  For
instance, Ricky Rudd's recent win in the 28 car.  Many fans were cheering
for Rudd, but I will also bet that many fans remember that the 28 was Davey
Allison's car and so they were cheering for him even tho Rudd was the
driver.
  But sleeveless, hatted, bearded folk abound...and the men are pretty
strange too.....   :)   {just kidding--REALLY!}
  You would do well to continue such strong defense of racing, the Energy
crisis of the  70's almost killed racing in America.  Keep up the good
words.
dave henrie

  I think Richmond will be a much different experience for you than the huge
Talledega event.  On the smaller track you will really see the drivers work
for their speed.
dave henrie

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> Regards


> >Someone asked this question (why is NASCAR popular?) a week or so ago
> >and there was a flood of the usual NASCAR hating posts.

> >NASCAR does not deserve the abuse I've seen heaped on it here.  It's
> >down at the level of the folks who say we all like racing because of
> >the crashes.

> >I like NASCAR because:

> >1.   Half the field have cars that, properly set up and driven, could
> >win the race.  And sometimes the underdogs have the perfect race and
> >win.

> >2.  The complicated strategy of setting the car up (for long runs?,
> >for short runs?) and then adjusting it in pit stops to match the
> >conditions during the race.

> >3.  The need to race the traffic as well as the track.

> >F1 lovers seem to be NASCAR haters.  Of the more popular forms F1 is
> >my least favorite.  We now have a whopping six cars that could win the
> >race, up from the usual four (or two).  And three of those drivers are
> >second class citizens who know they are suposed to let their teamate
> >finish ahead of them (even if Mika hasn't quite figured that one out
> >this year).  I'll still watch a F1 race on occaision, and going to
> >Monza last year was a pretty neat experience, even if it was a lousy
> >race.

> >Some credentials:  I like all forms of racing.  I've attended many
> >races::  F1: Watkins 1964 , Phoenix about 1990, Monza 2000, CART
> >(Denver about 1991), NASCAR (Richmond 1997), IRL, Busch, World of
> >Outlaws, Trans-Am (outside Montreal circa 1970), vintage, local stuff.
> >I raced SCCA for 10 years.  I sim (badly) GPL, NASCAR4, and GP3.

> >I'm a serious motorsports guy.  And I like NASCAR.  I'm amazed that
> >someone could hate NASCAR with a passion and like racing.

Eldre

Why I like NASCAR (serious)

by Eldre » Mon, 16 Jul 2001 05:07:41


writes:



>>writes:

>>>NASCAR is not racing.  It's a show.  Racing is about turning left and
>>>right.  It's about a driver following another driver (for position)
>>>for 40 laps and can't get by.  Then he finally outbrakes him with an
>>>incredible gutsy move and drives into the distance.  And that's the
>>>only pass for the lead!  That's racing.

>>I don't remember if you've said it before, but it sounds like you just don't
>>like oval racing, right?  Wouldn't matter if it was open-wheel, Nascar, or
>>motorcycle racing.

>I like oval racing.  Especially in sims (cause they are so easy).  I
>just prefer a race at Road America or Silvastun.

You actually like oval racing?  Strange considering all the things that you
DON'T like in NASCAR.
Yellow flags
Closely bunched cars
Multiple lead changes
Left turns only
No racing in the rain(not sure if *you* said this...)

All of these exist in Nascar, IRL, and some CART races.  I'm curious how you
could possibly like oval racing with all the things you DON'T like about it?
Nothing personal, but that sounds like a contradiction...

Eldred
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