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N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

Alan Conceic

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Alan Conceic » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:04:54

I wouldn't go that far. But N4 is the ultimate in realism. If you don't want
TOTAL realism, buy N3 and like it, or change the realism settings in N3. People
were frustrated w/GPL too...they'll get over it with time.

-
 Alan

Dan Belch

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Dan Belch » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:39:39

Take a look during a Winston Cup race at the back of a rookie's car.  See the
yellow strip(s) running the length of the back bumper?  Those are called rookie
stripes.  They serve as a warning to following drivers to keep as far away from
this guy as possible as odds are he'll do something stupid since he's a rookie.
 :)

-----------------------------------------
Dan Belcher
Team Racing Unlimited
http://simcrash.00game.com

George Lewi

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by George Lewi » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:56:34

On some N3/N4 tracks, I need that! Others, I just need the chrome horn
- get outta my way! :)


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George Lewi

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by George Lewi » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 09:58:35

The TSW is probably the BEST (Thomas Super Wheel).  Personally, I use
the Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro Digital usb wheel.  It's like $69 or
something reasonable like that at CompUSA.  I think they have version2
out now...

You can go into the software and link/unlink the brakes/gas pedal, and
also program some key combinations onto the buttons...

Main thing is that your driving will improve with a good wheel/pedal
combo :)



>Hello.....

>    So far so good on the responses......

>    I forgeot to mention my controller situation.....here goes....(perhaps
>this is my problem)

>    I'm using a controller from InterAct called he "Vortex 3D". I don't
>think it survived very long, but let me explain it.

>    It is a combo of a pad, wheel and flight yoke. It's an oversized pad,
>with a ball-joint on the bottom, along with a digital/analog switch.
>    So, in the case of N4...I set up my controller as a "gamepad". Then I
>switch to 'analog', and place it on it's base (connects to ball-joint) At
>this point, I get smooth steering (analog) but turning the pad on it's joint
>like a wheel. Buttons control the gas and brake.

>    It's a weird controller I admit....but damn, it seems to work fine.

>    Any chance that N4 "sees" it as a joypad, period?

>    I'm willing to try a wheel/pedal combo....but which one is a good, and a
>good value as well????

>    Tony

>P.S.    search for "InterAct Vortex 3D" on google.com and you'll see what I
>mean.

>P.P.S.   I'm not "scared" to play a game, or race a game pal....but it was a
>nice, below-the-belt shot anyways......jackass

>P.P.S.S.  Thanks to all those who are attempting to assist with constructive
>remarks.



>> Greetings......

>> Here's my system.....

>> P3 800
>> ATI Radeon 64meg
>> SB Live!

>> I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect,
>etc)

>> I installed N4, works great.

>> Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing this...perhaps
>I
>> am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the trash.

>> 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track?
>>     In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your tires
>> warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this
>> N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the
>pits.
>> Daytona and Tally seem fine....
>> I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time
>believing
>> that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400 lbs
>> for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this. After
>> all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for
>shits
>> n giggles.

>> 2) Where's all the set-ups?
>>     With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home.
>I've
>> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors and
>> sites.

>> 2.5) Where's all the cars?
>>     Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get #83
>> Papyrus.  Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin' fictional
>> car site! PLEASE!

>> 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left?
>>     See the final sentence of question 1......

>> 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy?
>>     Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all
>> over..even with a tweaked setup, etc.  I try ARCADE mode...and basically,
>> it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it gives
>ya.
>> But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over.
>> Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM mode,
>but
>> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal
>> sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable
>> player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc.

>>     I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out the
>> second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it. I
>> would have missed Pocono and Indy, though......

>>     I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'.
>I'm
>> just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4  ENJOYABLE to this
>> medium-skilled racer.  It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated
>with.
>> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a living
>> every Sunday.......

>>     Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here......

>>     Tony


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Ronnie Bigwhi

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Ronnie Bigwhi » Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:12:43

The ACT LABS FORCE RS is the  best The TSW has no force feedback ie Caveman
technology :)

> The TSW is probably the BEST (Thomas Super Wheel).  Personally, I use
> the Thrustmaster NASCAR Pro Digital usb wheel.  It's like $69 or
> something reasonable like that at CompUSA.  I think they have version2
> out now...

> You can go into the software and link/unlink the brakes/gas pedal, and
> also program some key combinations onto the buttons...

> Main thing is that your driving will improve with a good wheel/pedal
> combo :)



> >Hello.....

> >    So far so good on the responses......

> >    I forgeot to mention my controller situation.....here
goes....(perhaps
> >this is my problem)

> >    I'm using a controller from InterAct called he "Vortex 3D". I don't
> >think it survived very long, but let me explain it.

> >    It is a combo of a pad, wheel and flight yoke. It's an oversized pad,
> >with a ball-joint on the bottom, along with a digital/analog switch.
> >    So, in the case of N4...I set up my controller as a "gamepad". Then I
> >switch to 'analog', and place it on it's base (connects to ball-joint) At
> >this point, I get smooth steering (analog) but turning the pad on it's
joint
> >like a wheel. Buttons control the gas and brake.

> >    It's a weird controller I admit....but damn, it seems to work fine.

> >    Any chance that N4 "sees" it as a joypad, period?

> >    I'm willing to try a wheel/pedal combo....but which one is a good,
and a
> >good value as well????

> >    Tony

> >P.S.    search for "InterAct Vortex 3D" on google.com and you'll see what
I
> >mean.

> >P.P.S.   I'm not "scared" to play a game, or race a game pal....but it
was a
> >nice, below-the-belt shot anyways......jackass

> >P.P.S.S.  Thanks to all those who are attempting to assist with
constructive
> >remarks.



> >> Greetings......

> >> Here's my system.....

> >> P3 800
> >> ATI Radeon 64meg
> >> SB Live!

> >> I've raced since N2...(not online, I don't know really how to connect,
> >etc)

> >> I installed N4, works great.

> >> Here's my beefs, perhaps I'm not the only one experiencing
this...perhaps
> >I
> >> am...but at this point, I'm ready to uninstall and fire it in the
trash.

> >> 1) What's with your car barely gripping the track?
> >>     In N2 and N3...I had no problems with taking it easy till your
tires
> >> warm up, but at least the car held it's own on the surface. With this
> >> N4...the f**ker starts to slide the second you hit the gas leavin' the
> >pits.
> >> Daytona and Tally seem fine....
> >> I've read ad naseum that "it's realistic"...but I have a HARD time
> >believing
> >> that every track is basically an asphalt skating rink. The car's 3400
lbs
> >> for cryin' out loud! I really think that PAPY should address this.
After
> >> all, it's a GAME, not a training tool to go drivin' at Darlington for
> >shits
> >> n giggles.

> >> 2) Where's all the set-ups?
> >>     With N2 and N3...you could download set-ups til the cows come home.
> >I've
> >> been able to find a few setups, but nowhere near the amout of authors
and
> >> sites.

> >> 2.5) Where's all the cars?
> >>     Jeez...I had a new car everyday to drive with N3. With N4, I get
#83
> >> Papyrus.  Someone point me in the direction of a real happenin'
fictional
> >> car site! PLEASE!

> >> 3) What's with this annoying pull to the left?
> >>     See the final sentence of question 1......

> >> 4) Why is SIM too hard and ARCADE too crappy?
> >>     Basically, I try SIM mode, and forget about it. Car slides all
> >> over..even with a tweaked setup, etc.  I try ARCADE mode...and
basically,
> >> it's N3 sim at 95%. With ARCADE, your stuck with whatever setup it
gives
> >ya.
> >> But the AI sure as hell whips your ass. Car still slides all over.
> >> Again...PAPY should address this...make ARCADE mode mirror the SIM
mode,
> >but
> >> adjust the following (a) grip the track like glue, or at least minimal
> >> sliding (b) full race weekend options (c) adjustable AI (d) adjustable
> >> player's car, but not full sim...basic tweaks to make it faster, etc.

> >>     I bought Nascar Heat, and was happy with it, but it was thrown out
the
> >> second I got N4 home. Now I'm beginning to think I should have kept it.
I
> >> would have missed Pocono and Indy, though......

> >>     I'm not lookin' to trash N4...and I don't want a bunch of flamin'.
> >I'm
> >> just hoping that I can get some advice to make N4  ENJOYABLE to this
> >> medium-skilled racer.  It's a GAME I WANT to enjoy, not get frustrated
> >with.
> >> Leave the frustrating real-life stuff to the guys that do it for a
living
> >> every Sunday.......

> >>     Thanks all......I appreciate any help posted here......

> >>     Tony

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Alan Conceic

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Alan Conceic » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 01:16:37

I'm sure you've toyed w/enough TSWs to know... :)

-TSW: at the low low price of only $400! Get yours today!-
 Alan

PHYDEAUX

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by PHYDEAUX » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 04:37:27

>Subject: Re: N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

>Date: 03/17/2001 6:04 PM Eastern Standard Time

>> If someone gets the N4 sim and discovers that they couldnt drive one of
>>these cars worth a shit, then decides they dont like it. They are pussies :)

>I wouldn't go that far. But N4 is the ultimate in realism. If you don't want
>TOTAL realism, buy N3 and like it, or change the realism settings in N3.
>People
>were frustrated w/GPL too...they'll get over it with time.

Sorry I have no GPL experience.  Is the AI in GPL equally as BLIND as the N4
AI?

DB

(Don't gimme NO***in E-mail)

Ronnie Bigwhi

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Ronnie Bigwhi » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 06:52:14

 Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :)


Alan Conceic

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Alan Conceic » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:14:41

I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on the track, or feel
a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. But if I had
400 bucks, I'd have a TSW. :)

-
 Alan

Eldre

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Eldre » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 10:51:53



> If someone gets the N4 sim and discovers that they couldnt drive one of
>these cars worth a shit, then decides they dont like it. They are pussies :)

Well, that's a bit harsh...

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
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Alan Conceic

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Alan Conceic » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:57:49

Or two, even. :)

-full of grammatical errors today-
 Alan

Ronnie Bigwhi

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Ronnie Bigwhi » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:30:31

 Lets race bud ;)


Ronnie Bigwhi

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Ronnie Bigwhi » Tue, 20 Mar 2001 12:29:41

 Its ALOT more than just feeling a bump, and I dont give a damn about "lap
times" if it aint realictic. BTW what speeds you runnin in N4??? If a person
can drive a real car worth a ***then a force feedback wheel sure as heck
aint gonna make em slower.  you can feel bump and slides and you can feel
the amount of traction and bite and tire loading with a good wheel. The only
one really worth a ***IMO right now though is the ACT LABS FORCE RS.
Microsoft is second best but the damper forces suck on it.


aint gonna make em slow
)

Eldre

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by Eldre » Wed, 21 Mar 2001 01:03:00



>Sorry I have no GPL experience.  Is the AI in GPL equally as BLIND as the N4
>AI?

Only Surtees...<g>

Eldred
--
Dale Earnhardt, Sr. R.I.P. 1951-2001
Homepage - http://www.umich.edu/~epickett
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George Lewi

N4 sucks...or maybe I just need some advice...help!

by George Lewi » Thu, 22 Mar 2001 13:16:04

Is the ACT LBS Force RS USB connected by chance?  I've also got a Pro
Digital.  btw, FWIW, I tried the Microsoft forcefeedback with an Indy
Car sim about 1 year and a half ago and I thought it sucked,
personally.  I've driven real race cars, and I didn't consider it
realistic.  It could have been the technology at the time, or the
software and how it was programmed, I don't know... It obviously can't
be THAT bad if everyone is raving about it...

If anyone lives in the Northeast Tennessee area, I'd love to try one
of these things out.  I don't have a problem buying something if it's
not going to collect dust.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2001 03:29:41 GMT, "Ronnie  Bigwhip"


> Its ALOT more than just feeling a bump, and I dont give a damn about "lap
>times" if it aint realictic. BTW what speeds you runnin in N4??? If a person
>can drive a real car worth a ***then a force feedback wheel sure as heck
>aint gonna make em slower.  you can feel bump and slides and you can feel
>the amount of traction and bite and tire loading with a good wheel. The only
>one really worth a ***IMO right now though is the ACT LABS FORCE RS.
>Microsoft is second best but the damper forces suck on it.


>> > Well if there is no force feedback its a total waste of my time! :)

>> I look at it this way: Either I can gain a second or tow on the track, or
>feel
>> a bump. Which do I choose? Neither. I have a NASCAR Pro Digital. But if I
>had
>> 400 bu a real car worth a ***then a force feedback wheel sure as heck
>aint gonna make em slow
>)

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