A Papy Open wheel sim...

by **Dave Henri** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 12:22:13

Not a bad idea...they took Nascar Heat on head on...
why not a Sports Racer? Of course they would have to make a few
improvements to their current software...
like make online team driving possible, like model more than one carshape,
like implement full weather....
thats a couple of very big hurdles to clear...but if they could that would
be cool...
but the warning should also be stated....
JUST because the West Brothers plan those items and more, doesn't mean any
or all of them will make the first release of the sim.
dave henrie

> Actually, their next SIM is going to be European/American LeMans Series
SIM
> that's
> going to blow the doors off of WSC. (Whenever it comes out)

> > 1.) It does seem like they've (Papyrus core designers) been hinting at
an
> > open wheel sim in recent interviews.

> > 2.) The F1 license is seemingly very profitable, and also easier to get
> than
> > in years past. (or so it seems)

> > 3.) Papyrus has historically released an open wheel sim between MAJOR
> Nascar
> > releases. (Apparently to market test new physics engines with ***
sim
> > crowd before releasing a "mistake" into the cash cow Nascar series.)

> > Indycar 1, then Nascar 1.
> > Indycar 2, then Nascar 2.
> > GPL 1 :), then Nascar 4.

> > Ignoring Nascar 99 and 3 as intermediately releases, the pattern
seems
> > to point towards a new open wheel sim from Papy in the next few years.

> > 4.) They're getting tired of making new patches for GPL. :)

> > -
> > Any thoughts on this line of reasoning?

by **Alan Orto** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 13:56:22

I doubt they would back stab the West brothers.

> Not a bad idea...they took Nascar Heat on head on...
> why not a Sports Racer? Of course they would have to make a few
> improvements to their current software...
> like make online team driving possible, like model more than one carshape,
> like implement full weather....
> thats a couple of very big hurdles to clear...but if they could that would
> be cool...
> but the warning should also be stated....
> JUST because the West Brothers plan those items and more, doesn't mean any
> or all of them will make the first release of the sim.
> dave henrie

> > Actually, their next SIM is going to be European/American LeMans Series
> SIM
> > that's
> > going to blow the doors off of WSC. (Whenever it comes out)

> > > 1.) It does seem like they've (Papyrus core designers) been hinting at
> an
> > > open wheel sim in recent interviews.

> > > 2.) The F1 license is seemingly very profitable, and also easier to
get
> > than
> > > in years past. (or so it seems)

> > > 3.) Papyrus has historically released an open wheel sim between MAJOR
> > Nascar
> > > releases. (Apparently to market test new physics engines with ***
> sim
> > > crowd before releasing a "mistake" into the cash cow Nascar series.)

> > > Indycar 1, then Nascar 1.
> > > Indycar 2, then Nascar 2.
> > > GPL 1 :), then Nascar 4.

> > > Ignoring Nascar 99 and 3 as intermediately releases, the pattern
> seems
> > > to point towards a new open wheel sim from Papy in the next few years.

> > > 4.) They're getting tired of making new patches for GPL. :)

> > > -
> > > Any thoughts on this line of reasoning?

by **Blackhaw** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:01:51

What I'd really like to see is a F1 sim of the 70's with big tires based on
the GPL engine.

/Blackhawk

by **Gregor Vebl** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 15:18:49

As far as I can see, Papy will not open up their architecture, which is
one of the main points of the upcoming WSC. So you could hardly say it
would be direct competition in this highly hypothetical situation.

-Gregor

> Actually, their next SIM is going to be European/American LeMans Series SIM
> that's
> going to blow the doors off of WSC. (Whenever it comes out)

by **Zonk** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:35:13

Given that CART has better TV coverage in Europe than the US?

CART is a risky franchise proposition, imho. It is simply not on the "motor
sport" radar in the US. You only have to look at the poor attendance of the
series.

Cart would be nice, i do not disagree, but the series is not popular on the
level of NASCAR, and would be quite some risk for Sierra.

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by **Olav K. Malm** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 17:51:08

> <snip>
> > 2.) The F1 license is seemingly very profitable, and also easier to
> > get than in years past. (or so it seems)
> <snip>

> Good luck to Papy in trying to get Internet play built in... unless, of
> course, the fabled CART sim is finally in the wings. It would seem more
> logical from a commercial POV, as there's no competition (as of now,
> anyway) as against zillions of F1 games. A CART sim will sell
> appallingly in Europe, of course, though the coming of Rockingham and
> the Lausitzring might help a bit.

Why would it ? How much did C:PR sell in Europe ? I think CART is more
popular in Europe than many people think.

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by **David Butte** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 18:44:08

A lot of people have it... but a lot of those got it free with their
MSFF wheel. It got discounted very early on.

Agreed - and it's well placed to do better with the Euro races and the
increasing techno-tedium of F1. NASCAR will never get anywhere here (in
the UK, anyway), so I'm hoping Papy will get off the NASCAR trains for
a while and do something more interesting. </provocation>

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by **Matt Lanze** » Wed, 06 Jun 2001 20:16:33

> CART is a risky franchise proposition, imho. It is simply not on the "motor
> sport" radar in the US. You only have to look at the poor attendance of the
> series.

Only on the ovals, my friend... their road course & street course attendance
has been pretty consistently on the rise.
175,000 heads for a weekend isn't uncommon.

Warlock!

by **Simon Brow** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 00:25:04

One thing that would really help get a CART sim done was if IRL and CART
were to reform into one series next year.

Can anyone who follows these series more closely than I do say whether
that's really likely?

by **Robi** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 01:33:12

With Tony George at the helm of the IRL... about a snowball's chance in...
well you get the idea.
Robin

> One thing that would really help get a CART sim done was if IRL and CART
> were to reform into one series next year.

> Can anyone who follows these series more closely than I do say whether
> that's really likely?

> > 1.) It does seem like they've (Papyrus core designers) been hinting at
an
> > open wheel sim in recent interviews.

> > 2.) The F1 license is seemingly very profitable, and also easier to get
> than
> > in years past. (or so it seems)

> > 3.) Papyrus has historically released an open wheel sim between MAJOR
> Nascar
> > releases. (Apparently to market test new physics engines with ***
sim
> > crowd before releasing a "mistake" into the cash cow Nascar series.)

> > Indycar 1, then Nascar 1.
> > Indycar 2, then Nascar 2.
> > GPL 1 :), then Nascar 4.

> > Ignoring Nascar 99 and 3 as intermediately releases, the pattern
seems
> > to point towards a new open wheel sim from Papy in the next few years.

> > 4.) They're getting tired of making new patches for GPL. :)

> > -
> > Any thoughts on this line of reasoning?

by **Olav K. Malm** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 02:54:08

> One thing that would really help get a CART sim done was if IRL and CART
> were to reform into one series next year.

> Can anyone who follows these series more closely than I do say whether
> that's really likely?

Not likely at all, specially next year. What I think will happen is
that CART will make a new chassis and engine formula (abandon turbos,
noooo!) to make it easier for CART teams to enter the Indy500.

I wouldn't mind TG realizing his mistake and abandon the IRL idea for
good though... :)

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by **ymenar** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 02:54:05

> CART is a risky franchise proposition, imho.

Cmon guys. Realise that everybody else in the industry is releasing SMALLER
franchise racing sims then CART. Look at Leadfoot, Motocross games, Karting
titles, Rally Trophy (or any Rally title), Drag racing sims, Mercedes-Benz
Truck Racing(!!!), Dirt Track titles by Ratbag, Monster Trucks , check out
ALL the titles on the market. CART is not "risky", what the heck are you
talking about?????????

With your way of thinking, about every ***y title in the industry is not
profitable only because they are not on the "motor sport" radar in the US.
Which shows also the poor closed-minded vision that only the USA counts in
the industry.

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by **Matt Lanze** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 03:34:18

After the stepping-on that the IRL received at Indy this year, and more CART
teams thinking about doing Indy as a one-off next year, I'd expect the 25/8
rule to be back at the Brickyard for 2003... then it's gonna be 1996 all over
again. :(

> > One thing that would really help get a CART sim done was if IRL and CART
> > were to reform into one series next year.

> > Can anyone who follows these series more closely than I do say whether
> > that's really likely?

> Not likely at all, specially next year. What I think will happen is
> that CART will make a new chassis and engine formula (abandon turbos,
> noooo!) to make it easier for CART teams to enter the Indy500.

> I wouldn't mind TG realizing his mistake and abandon the IRL idea for
> good though... :)

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by **Eldre** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 03:41:37

> Ignoring Nascar 99 and 3 as intermediately releases, the pattern seems
>to point towards a new open wheel sim from Papy in the next few years.

>4.) They're getting tired of making new patches for GPL. :)

>-
>Any thoughts on this line of reasoning?

I'd like to see it, but I'm not holding my breath. I'd rather be pleasantly
surprised than be bitterly disappointed. :)

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by **Ed Solhei** » Thu, 07 Jun 2001 04:48:26

I'm think they want it too - is't all down to licencing and money now :-)
My hope it that they choose CART over F1.
Modern day F1 is just one giant yaaaaaaaawn... The cars suck, the tracks
suck, the FIA sucks and the competition in general sucks.

So unless they do GPL2 - I'd rather have a CART-sim
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