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N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

Mr. Basebal

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by Mr. Basebal » Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:00:00

If you haven't yet downloaded the preview, or are waiting, don't bother.  If
you want to see the video all you have to do is boot up NASCAR 2 and watch
some instant replay action.  That's what it looks like.  From what I've seen
of the pictures and video, they car models look very similar to N2....nice
for 1996, but unacceptable for 1999!!  I for one am very disappointed with
the look of the game so far.
Cowen Wilso

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by Cowen Wilso » Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Jon,
 I know what you mean..  It seems to me that if somebody doesn't find something to complain about around here, nobody is happy.

Cowen


        The graphics are getting an overhaul, and I don't undestand what people are griping about with them, I already think they are coming along great.

        Jon

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Kyle Steven

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by Kyle Steven » Wed, 17 Feb 1999 04:00:00

But you also have those who blindly follow Papyrus regardless of the
product...after GPL, the potential is great but the N3 video is way too far
in advance of any criticism or praise for the upcoming sim.

KS

    Jon,
     I know what you mean..  It seems to me that if somebody doesn't find
something to complain about around here, nobody is happy.

    Cowen



            The graphics are getting an overhaul, and I don't undestand what
people are griping about with them, I already think they are coming along
great.

            Jon

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John Simmo

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by John Simmo » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00


Well, the video was probably the result of several hours of playing a
replay through a TV-out port on a video card directly onto a VCR tape
which was the cut and spliced and then re-recorded, and then fed back
thru a video capture board and edited some more, and finally assembled
into what we saw today.  

Personally, I don't think you can really tell too much from the video
other than the GPL physics engine is implemented (did you see DE's car
land after being hit from behind?), there will be specular lighting
(YES!) and they got rid of the armco barrier at the Glen (watch out for
those black flags when you cut the course though).  There was no smoke or
skid marks when the cars spun, but I'm sure they'll make it into the
final product.

Nice video, but was nothing more than a teaser.  I wonder if they're
taking pre-orders for it yet...

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Jerry Hunnicut

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by Jerry Hunnicut » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

i liked it!!! could see some of the phsics engine...graphics...i am e***d
about the release



John Walla

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by John Walla » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 20:22:32 -0600, "Jon Eaton"


>The graphics are getting an overhaul, and I don't
>undestand what people are griping about with them, I
>already think they are coming along great.

I have to say I was pretty disappointed with them, in fact very
disappointed. The cars look nice inasmuch as the glass, the dash etc,
and I like the little touches like actually having correct tyre marks
into the braking zone (first sim ever to get this right?) but the
landscape, armcos, track, verges and car models look a bit dated
and...."sterile" (if you know what I mean) - it looks like a computer
rendition, rather than capturing real life as GPL's graphics managed.

Maybe just a matter of taste, but it wasn't a high spot for me. The
physics OTOH I know will be great, but to have similar graphics to N2
and to have only one car model would be a bit poor (especially after
GPL's car-fest).

Cheers!
John

Chris Schlette

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by Chris Schlette » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

What? GPL graphics are VERY VERY cartoonish.  I don't even get a sense that
I'm looking at real cars. Only thing that saves the game from elmination
from harddrive is 1) its beautiful physics engine and its 2) internet play.
Beyond that, nothing is really all that impressive. :)

schwab

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by schwab » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Right, which is what separates GPL from GP2 or probably ANY Geoff
Crammond/Microprose game: Substance vs. style...

--dave


> >and...."sterile" (if you know what I mean) - it looks like a computer
> >rendition, rather than capturing real life as GPL's graphics managed.

> What? GPL graphics are VERY VERY cartoonish.  I don't even get a sense that
> I'm looking at real cars. Only thing that saves the game from elmination
> from harddrive is 1) its beautiful physics engine and its 2) internet play.
> Beyond that, nothing is really all that impressive. :)

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ymenar

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by ymenar » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Chris Schletter wrote

Different opinions Chris...

I for one think that the GPL graphic engine is the best on the market.  It's
in a subliminal way.

I relate to my days on the track, with a big shiny sun on the Touring cars.
The overall sensation of visual colors was the same as the Pastel palette
found in GPL.

-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

Maps

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by Maps » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 17:22:10 -0800, "Mr. Baseball"


>If you haven't yet downloaded the preview, or are waiting, don't bother.  If
>you want to see the video all you have to do is boot up NASCAR 2 and watch
>some instant replay action.  That's what it looks like.  From what I've seen
>of the pictures and video, they car models look very similar to N2....nice
>for 1996, but unacceptable for 1999!!  I for one am very disappointed with
>the look of the game so far.

I don't know yet, since I am just downloading it. But I don't much
care if they look the same as N2- it is the physics model that I am
interested in. And the addition of built in TCP/IP racing like GPR.

-Is N3 supposed to have the same internet support as GPR?!?!

I know Papy only got interested in the internet support as a sort of
afterthought with GPR- but I wouldnt' be using GPR today if it wasn't
for it. Sure, it is flawed, but let's face it: racing real people is a
lot more fun than racing sim drivers. In fact, I use the AI for what
it is most deeply meant for- practicing for when I race with real
humans!

ymenar

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by ymenar » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

Mapson wrote

Nascar 3 will have the same multiplayer features as GPL, thus being
Modem/Modem, IPX and TCP/IP.

And depending on the relations between Nascar, Sierra and TEN, you will (and
I hope) see the Nascar Racing Online Series go with Nascar Racing 3.  It's
more complicated than you think, but there is plenty of new alternatives
that could happen especially if they can find a way to create LAN based
online racing not going throught the Internet.

There is rumors about a phone company who would want to get involved in a
1-800 type of number with a certain monthly fee.

Papyrus has had interest in online racing way before Grand Prix Legends.  In
fact for Nascar Racing 1 almost 3years ago you had a system called Hawaii,
that permitted 30drivers online racing over a BBS in the Papyrus
Headquarters.  From this happened the NROS afterall.

-= Fran?ois Mnard <ymenard/Nas-Frank>
-= NROS Nascar sanctioned Guide http://www.nros.com/
-= SimRacing Online http://www.simracing.com/
-= Official mentally retarded guy of r.a.s.
-= May the Downforce be with you...

"People think it must be fun to be a super genius, but they don't realise
how hard it is to put up with all the idiots in the world."

CombatWomba

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by CombatWomba » Thu, 18 Feb 1999 04:00:00

My only real complaint about the video was the 30 seconds or so of the
paprus logo at the end.  Wouldn't 3-5 seconds have been enought?  They could
have made the filesize much smaller had they shortened it.
John Walla

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by John Walla » Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:00:00

On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 08:59:12 -0600, "Chris Schletter"


>What? GPL graphics are VERY VERY cartoonish.  I don't even get a sense that
>I'm looking at real cars. Only thing that saves the game from elmination
>from harddrive is 1) its beautiful physics engine and its 2) internet play.
>Beyond that, nothing is really all that impressive. :)

Back to the bait shop for you m'laddo....

Cheers!
John

Larr

N3 Demo- not worth the wait.

by Larr » Fri, 19 Feb 1999 04:00:00

To expaned on Mr Baseball's comments...

Am I the only one who is _severely_ dissapointed that at this stage of
development, all we are seeing are screenshots, and a hokey movie?

I mean, this thing was supposed to _ship_ in December 1998.  They are
only far along enough to provide us pretty pictures and a
non-informative movie?

This worries me, folks.  This tells me that they aren't _anywhere_ near
completing this game.  No where close.

If a real Demo were provided, with real cars and a real track (just ONE
track) to show what has been done (and to keep us busy and not whining -
Look what the Viper Demo did for Viper Racing!) then I sure would feel
better.

I can't help but feel that this project is in dissarray.

-Larry


> If you haven't yet downloaded the preview, or are waiting, don't bother.  If
> you want to see the video all you have to do is boot up NASCAR 2 and watch
> some instant replay action.  That's what it looks like.  From what I've seen
> of the pictures and video, they car models look very similar to N2....nice
> for 1996, but unacceptable for 1999!!  I for one am very disappointed with
> the look of the game so far.


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