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Are there any real world driving simulators out there

Johan Veenstr

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Johan Veenstr » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

This question may seem a bit off-topic, but this newsgroup is about cars
and simulators right?

I would like to buy a driving simulator that resembles real world
driving as much as possible. Today I'll have my first driving lesson,
and I thought that spending a couple of hours a week behind my force
feedback steering wheel wouldn't hurt, it may even be a lot of fun.....

So, can anyone recommend a good title?

regards,

Johan Veenstra

Olav K. Malm

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Olav K. Malm » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00


> This question may seem a bit off-topic, but this newsgroup is about cars
> and simulators right?

Absolutely, in fact i'm a bit amazed that professional car simulators aren't
discussed at all here. One reason may be that there aren't that many, and
a second could be that when people ask about driving simulators they get GPL
recommended, not a bad thing, but not everyone want to race 1967 F1.

Sierra got something called Drivers Education 99. There was very little info
about it on Sierra's web-site about the driving model, but they give the money
back if you don't pass for the driving test in USA. If that is because the
software is good or the driving test in USA is easy, i don't know... :)

A less serious approach is of course Microsoft Midtown Madness, that let you
race around in Chicago, but the traffic model in pretty bad. A good game though
for fun if you don't have the time to try yet another lap a the Ring.

Hope this helps.

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Johan Veenstr

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Johan Veenstr » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I did find a driving simulator, but it's kind of expensive, since it runs on a
Silicon Graphics Onyx RE2 and needs a really cool display 'curved screen of 165 by
45 degrees (h x v)'. You can read more about this at:
http://www.ppsw.rug.nl/cov/cov_sim.htm

Thanks for the info, I'll be looking into this one. And if I decide to buy I'll
post a review back to the newsgroup. I wonder if you can use DE '99 in a Midtown
Madness mode :-)

Johan Veenstra.

daxe rexfor

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by daxe rexfor » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00


>If that is because the
>software is good or the driving test in USA is easy, i don't know... :)

From what I have read, the driving test here in the USA is VERY easy
compared to many European countries.  It revolves around remembering lots of
little rules rather than actually learning to drive a car or use much in the
way of driving skills.  When I got my license (about 24 years ago) it
consisted of this:

Written exam, 10 questions, all taken from a little book you got to study
for months ahead of time.  I think you needed to get 7 of 10 correct.  The
questions were relevant stuff like:

1.) What is the maximum distance between houses in a residential district?

2.)  What is the minimum following distance for an emergency vehicle such as
a fire truck?

3.)  What does a flashing red traffic light mean?

Pile into vehicle with a couple other 16 year old driver wannabees and an
officer from the "Registry of Motor Vehicles"  (this is in Massachusetts,
other states are different).

Remember to buckle your seat belt, adjust your mirrors before checking them
and signal when leaving the curb.  Throw in some hand signals if it is warm
enough to open the window.

Drive where the  RMV cop tells you to drive, usually down a deserted side
street.  Make sure you use your turn signals and look in the mirrors a lot.

On the deserted side street, parallel park within the required distance from
the curb (no other cars nearby).

Start away from curb (mirror and signals again) and go a little farther down
the deserted side street.  Do a "3 point turn", often referred to as
"turning around."

Pull alongside curb again and "secure vehicle" (shift to park and put on
hand brake, shut car off),  turn car over to next driver candidate.

When everyone has taken their turn, return to Registry building, take eye
test and get photo taken.

Bingo!  You have a drivers license.

Later that day:  celebrate your new freedom by picking up all your friends
in the car you borrowed from your parents, get someone to buy you liquor and
go have an accident.

~daxe

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GraDe

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by GraDe » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Thank God someone understands me at last!!!

Thank you thank you thank you!

Alan Orto

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Alan Orto » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I've been playing gpl for quite a while now and I really never did like
the 1967 F1 car concept... The only reason I play gpl is because of it's
Semi realistic handling, I could care less for 1967 F1 Theme. I would
buy a Swamp Buggy Sim or a Lawnmower racing sim if it was realistically
Modeled.

> >One reason may be that there aren't that many, and
> > a second could be that when people ask about driving simulators they get
> GPL
> > recommended, not a bad thing, but not everyone want to race 1967 F1.

> Thank God someone understands me at last!!!

> Thank you thank you thank you!

Johan Veenstr

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Johan Veenstr » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00

I took the theoritical driving test on monday, no problem just learn the little
book inside out.

Done that.

Huh, you have to buckle yout seat belt, I thought that wasn't obligatory in the US.
Well it's probably state dependant.

Done that.

Was a bit trivky the first time.

Done that.

Done that.

I wonder what's more expensive.

1. Get my drivers license over here in the Netherlands
2. Go to America, get my drivers license over there, have a two week holiday, and go
back to the Netherlands again.

Option number 1. is probably a lot safer.

Johan Veenstra.

daxe rexfor

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by daxe rexfor » Thu, 06 Jan 2000 04:00:00


>Wow you described my drivers test like you were sitting in the back seat .
I
>am also from Massachusetts and I took my test at the old Beverly registry
in
>about 1982. Deserted side streets to parallel park and 3 point turn on
>without the danger of any traffic . Unfortunately I didn't study the little
>blue book because I was 16.5 years old and I knew EVERYTHING so the frist
>time I didnt even get past the stupid written exam.

Nice to know there's consistency is that sad approach to licensing drivers
here in the Commonwealth.  At least we all start with the same disadvantage.
I aced the written part because I have an annoyingly good memory for useless
factoids such as:

After stopping to wait in a line of traffic at a stop sign, the first three
(3) cars in line may pass through the stop sign without stopping again if
there are 300 feet of unobstructed view to either side of the sign.

 I actually quoted that once and got out of a ticket.

:o)

~daxe

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Johan Veenstr

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Johan Veenstr » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

What kind of race setting do you prefer?

Johan Veenstra

Doug Hoo

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Doug Hoo » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Wow you described my drivers test like you were sitting in the back seat . I
am also from Massachusetts and I took my test at the old Beverly registry in
about 1982. Deserted side streets to parallel park and 3 point turn on
without the danger of any traffic . Unfortunately I didn't study the little
blue book because I was 16.5 years old and I knew EVERYTHING so the frist
time I didnt even get past the stupid written exam.



> >If that is because the
> >software is good or the driving test in USA is easy, i don't know... :)

> From what I have read, the driving test here in the USA is VERY easy
> compared to many European countries.  It revolves around remembering lots
of
> little rules rather than actually learning to drive a car or use much in
the
> way of driving skills.  When I got my license (about 24 years ago) it
> consisted of this:

> Written exam, 10 questions, all taken from a little book you got to study
> for months ahead of time.  I think you needed to get 7 of 10 correct.  The
> questions were relevant stuff like:

> 1.) What is the maximum distance between houses in a residential district?

> 2.)  What is the minimum following distance for an emergency vehicle such
as
> a fire truck?

> 3.)  What does a flashing red traffic light mean?

> Pile into vehicle with a couple other 16 year old driver wannabees and an
> officer from the "Registry of Motor Vehicles"  (this is in Massachusetts,
> other states are different).

> Remember to buckle your seat belt, adjust your mirrors before checking
them
> and signal when leaving the curb.  Throw in some hand signals if it is
warm
> enough to open the window.

> Drive where the  RMV cop tells you to drive, usually down a deserted side
> street.  Make sure you use your turn signals and look in the mirrors a
lot.

> On the deserted side street, parallel park within the required distance
from
> the curb (no other cars nearby).

> Start away from curb (mirror and signals again) and go a little farther
down
> the deserted side street.  Do a "3 point turn", often referred to as
> "turning around."

> Pull alongside curb again and "secure vehicle" (shift to park and put on
> hand brake, shut car off),  turn car over to next driver candidate.

> When everyone has taken their turn, return to Registry building, take eye
> test and get photo taken.

> Bingo!  You have a drivers license.

> Later that day:  celebrate your new freedom by picking up all your friends
> in the car you borrowed from your parents, get someone to buy you liquor
and
> go have an accident.

> ~daxe

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Steve Ferguso

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Steve Ferguso » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

The average cost of getting your license in Germany and Switzerland is
about 3000.- once you take the required amount of lessons and tests.  15
years ago in Canada I was one of the few who actually shelled out some
cash for an "advanced" driving course, which included skidpad training,
for about 300 bucks.  Luckily, when I moved to Switzerland they accepted
my Ontario license at face value and issued me with a Swiss one.  My
sister moved to Germany, but because she came from the "wrong" state in
the US, she had to go through the German licensing system.

Stephen

:> Written exam, 10 questions, all taken from a little book you got to study
:> for months ahead of time.  I think you needed to get 7 of 10 correct.  The
:> questions were relevant stuff like:

: I took the theoritical driving test on monday, no problem just learn the little
: book inside out.

:> Remember to buckle your seat belt, adjust your mirrors before checking them
:> and signal when leaving the curb.  Throw in some hand signals if it is warm
:> enough to open the window.

: Done that.

: Huh, you have to buckle yout seat belt, I thought that wasn't obligatory in the US.
: Well it's probably state dependant.

:> Drive where the  RMV cop tells you to drive, usually down a deserted side
:> street.  Make sure you use your turn signals and look in the mirrors a lot.

: Done that.

:> On the deserted side street, parallel park within the required distance from
:> the curb (no other cars nearby).

: Was a bit trivky the first time.

:> Start away from curb (mirror and signals again) and go a little farther down
:> the deserted side street.  Do a "3 point turn", often referred to as
:> "turning around."

: Done that.

:> Pull alongside curb again and "secure vehicle" (shift to park and put on
:> hand brake, shut car off),  turn car over to next driver candidate.

: Done that.

: I wonder what's more expensive.

: 1. Get my drivers license over here in the Netherlands
: 2. Go to America, get my drivers license over there, have a two week holiday, and go
: back to the Netherlands again.

: Option number 1. is probably a lot safer.

: Johan Veenstra.

Bill Jone

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Bill Jone » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00




> > I would like to buy a driving simulator that resembles real world
> > driving as much as possible. Today I'll have my first driving lesson,
> > and I thought that spending a couple of hours a week behind my force
> > feedback steering wheel wouldn't hurt, it may even be a lot of fun.....

> > So, can anyone recommend a good title?

> Sierra got something called Drivers Education 99. There was very little
info
> about it on Sierra's web-site about the driving model, but they give the
money
> back if you don't pass for the driving test in USA. If that is because the
> software is good or the driving test in USA is easy, i don't know... :)

> A less serious approach is of course Microsoft Midtown Madness, that let
you
> race around in Chicago, but the traffic model in pretty bad. A good game
though
> for fun if you don't have the time to try yet another lap a the Ring.

The February 2000 PC Gamer magazine says that the Skip Barber Racing School
title will be available in a few weeks!  I know that's not everyday driving
(for most), but according to the magazine, there will be thorough
instruction on all the driving techniques commonly discussed here, like
trail-braking, emergency maneuvers, etc.  It sounds and looks as though it
might have potential to be good.

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Cossi

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Cossi » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

Sierra made a drivers ed education sim 2 years ago. You can get it for 10-15
bucks from any commputer shows.

Driving test in America is easy, I  took mine  during a big winter storm, all
I had to do was buckle up, adjust  the mirror and start the car.. I didn't
even have to move an inch

Stif

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Stif » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

As a kid on my written test it asked
If you are sticking your left hand out the window what are you signaling?
a) Turning right
b) Turning Left
c) Backing up
d) Waving at your friends
No Shit.........................................

Mark Seer

Are there any real world driving simulators out there

by Mark Seer » Fri, 07 Jan 2000 04:00:00

We have a UK version of that question as well

   e) Your left arm is eight feet long <G>

MS


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