rec.autos.simulators

by **B.Kn** » Mon, 13 May 1996 04:00:00

It has become obvious that no matter what Crammond does to improve
the performance of F1GP2, SVGA will still require a hell of a lot of
horsepower. I'm guessing that anyone with less that a P133 will need
to run in low res unless they turn down -=a lot=- of detail. . I've
been thinking about how well it will run on my system. I have a P90
with 16megs and I figure it will run quite well in low res with all
detail turned on. I realize that I could probably run in high res if I
turned off a lot of the details, but why? I can handle the quality of
graphics in low res. Hell, I've done it for almost ever car game I've
bought.
Anyway, the question in this, will we get most enjoyment out of full
detail low res, or partial detail high res? I'm going with full detail
low res.

Brett Knox

by Jo » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00

> Anyway, the question in this, will we get most enjoyment out of full
>detail low res, or partial detail high res? I'm going with full detail
>low res.

Nascar and Indycar II have similar options, and I always go for
high-res and less detail. But then I've got a 17" monitor: 320x200
looks awful, the pixels are as big as yer thumb.

Joe

by **Glenn Davi** » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00

>Nascar and Indycar II have similar options, and I always go for
>high-res and less detail. But then I've got a 17" monitor: 320x200
>looks awful, the pixels are as big as yer thumb.

I agree. A higher resolution allows you to see much further down the
track allowing you to see the opposition from further away and improve
your approach to the turns. I would be prepared to play F1GP2 without
some of the eye candy like road, grass and sky textures, specular
reflection and mirror detail so that I could have it in SVGA rather
than VGA.

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by **Marco Verhoev** » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00

> It has become obvious that no matter what Crammond does to improve
>the performance of F1GP2, SVGA will still require a hell of a lot of
>horsepower. I'm guessing that anyone with less that a P133 will need
>to run in low res unless they turn down -=a lot=- of detail. . I've
>been thinking about how well it will run on my system. I have a P90
>with 16megs and I figure it will run quite well in low res with all
>detail turned on. I realize that I could probably run in high res if I
>turned off a lot of the details, but why? I can handle the quality of
>graphics in low res. Hell, I've done it for almost ever car game I've
>bought.
> Anyway, the question in this, will we get most enjoyment out of full
>detail low res, or partial detail high res? I'm going with full detail
>low res.

Believe it or not but I'm waiting for GP2 before I upgrade my PC. I
was thinking about a P166 but with all the latest rumors stating a
fully equipped P133 isn't enough I'm now considering a P180 or P200
(not the Pro, I'm not THAT crazy).

And prices are dropping like crazy so I don't mind waiting until June
26th.

Marco

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by **Stuart Boo** » Tue, 14 May 1996 04:00:00

> Anyway, the question in this, will we get most enjoyment out of full
>detail low res, or partial detail high res? I'm going with full detail
>low res.

This is one of those questions where you'll get people that like the
so called 'eye candy' and others who prefer the framerate. I've come
round to the framerate aspect of it, but I don't like to turn off too
much detail either. However, unless normal VGA mode is 'clean' and
crisp with a good depth of field, eg F1GP1, I will always go with
SVGA. I have NEVER played Nascar or ICR2 in VGA. It may be a hell of a
lot faster, but being able to SEE things clearly outweighs any
disadvantages of loss of graphic detail.

So I'm going to go with "wait and see how good the VGA graphics are
before I decide". I too have a 16Mb P90 which I think is going to be a
bit lacking in Umph for F1GP2 in SVGA.

Stuart

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Somewhere in Godalming, England, UK!!!

by **Stuart Boo** » Thu, 16 May 1996 04:00:00

>Believe it or not but I'm waiting for GP2 before I upgrade my PC. I
>was thinking about a P166 but with all the latest rumors stating a
>fully equipped P133 isn't enough I'm now considering a P180 or P200
>(not the Pro, I'm not THAT crazy).

Teehee! Some of us are!!

Actually I need a PC upgrade for my compiler/OS/software development
projects, but if GP2 just HAPPENS to require more h/w. Well, it's well
timed, it has to be said! One advantage of having to wait for GP2
means that prices drop...

d8-))

Stuart

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Somewhere in Godalming, England, UK!!!

by **Scott Street** » Fri, 17 May 1996 04:00:00

>> It has become obvious that no matter what Crammond does to improve
>> the performance of F1GP2, SVGA will still require a hell of a lot
>> of horsepower. I'm guessing that anyone with less that a P133 will
>> need to run in low res unless they turn down -=a lot=- of detail. .
>> I've been thinking about how well it will run on my system. I have
>> a P90 with 16megs and I figure it will run quite well in low res
>> with all detail turned on. I realize that I could probably run in
>> high res if I turned off a lot of the details, but why? I can
>> handle the quality of graphics in low res. Hell, I've done it for
>> almost ever car game I've bought. Anyway, the question in this,
>> will we get most enjoyment out of full detail low res, or partial
>> detail high res? I'm going with full detail low res.

I dunno. I can run IndycarII with everything turned on, on my P120 and
it runs great. 16meg, PCI Diamond 3200 video card.

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by **Tony R** » Sat, 18 May 1996 04:00:00

And it also runs great on a P90 with everything turned on. But GP2, I
very much doubt it. Time for that 166 I think. From what I've been
reading here it seems even that wont have enough grunt for the game.

Tony

by **Mari.Donk..** » Sat, 18 May 1996 04:00:00

It doesn't! You need to turn graphics options off and leave only
the "skid marks" set to ON and "smoke/dirt" set to AUTO
respectively to achieve a frame rate that never drops below
20 frames/second.

If more graphics options are set to ON or AUTO then the game
gets slower and if configured with AUTO switches graphics ON
and OFF during the game. Also the game will noticably respond
slower to steering actions, which doesn't help the realism.

I expect that GP2 also has the options to remove lots of the graphics
detail, so that it can run in SVGA on my P90. I noticed with ICR2
that the proportions of the cars related to the track was much more
realistic in SVGA than in VGA.

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by **Ian Greenwo** » Fri, 07 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>>And it also runs great on a P90 with everything turned on. But GP2, I
>>very much doubt it. Time for that 166 I think. From what I've been
>>reading here it seems even that wont have enough grunt for the game.

>>Tony
>It doesn't! You need to turn graphics options off and leave only
>the "skid marks" set to ON and "smoke/dirt" set to AUTO
>respectively to achieve a frame rate that never drops below
>20 frames/second.
>If more graphics options are set to ON or AUTO then the game
>gets slower and if configured with AUTO switches graphics ON
>and OFF during the game. Also the game will noticably respond
>slower to steering actions, which doesn't help the realism.
>I expect that GP2 also has the options to remove lots of the graphics
>detail, so that it can run in SVGA on my P90. I noticed with ICR2
>that the proportions of the cars related to the track was much more
>realistic in SVGA than in VGA.
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I just reckon this whole GP2 graphics discussion is a bit premature.
Let us see what the game NEEDS before splashing out the cash. My P75
with 16MB RAM and 'aggressive' BIOS settings runs Indycar 2 SVGA quite
well with some of the detail turned down, and I expect (hope?) that
GP2 will be a better optimised game.

by **Robert Knaube** » Sun, 09 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> >I just reckon this whole GP2 graphics discussion is a bit premature.
> >Let us see what the game NEEDS before splashing out the cash. My P75
> >with 16MB RAM and 'aggressive' BIOS settings runs Indycar 2 SVGA quite
> >well with some of the detail turned down, and I expect (hope?) that
> >GP2 will be a better optimised game.

> Given that your P-75 system runs well with "aggressive" BIOS settings,
> why don't you overclock it to 100Mhz?

> The P-75 is made in the same process line as the P-100 (0.6um) so the
> chance of success is very high, you'll have a P-100 CPU, a faster PCI
> bus (25 --> 33) and a faster motherboard (50 --> 66). Sounds good to me
> (well, I did the same for the last 6 months and it WAS good!).

> Cheers!
> John

I have a P5 66mhz. Is it possible for me to overclock it? Would you need any extra
info to tell if I could overclock it? Please reply and I'll tell you what you want me
to about the motherboard.

Robert Knauber

by **Robert Knaube** » Sun, 09 Jun 1996 04:00:00

> >I just reckon this whole GP2 graphics discussion is a bit premature.
> >Let us see what the game NEEDS before splashing out the cash. My P75
> >with 16MB RAM and 'aggressive' BIOS settings runs Indycar 2 SVGA quite
> >well with some of the detail turned down, and I expect (hope?) that
> >GP2 will be a better optimised game.

> Given that your P-75 system runs well with "aggressive" BIOS settings,
> why don't you overclock it to 100Mhz?

> The P-75 is made in the same process line as the P-100 (0.6um) so the
> chance of success is very high, you'll have a P-100 CPU, a faster PCI
> bus (25 --> 33) and a faster motherboard (50 --> 66). Sounds good to me
> (well, I did the same for the last 6 months and it WAS good!).

> Cheers!
> John

I have a P5 66mhz. Is it possible for me to overclock it? Would you need any extra
info to tell if I could overclock it? Please reply and I'll tell you what you want me
to about the motherboard.

by **Ted Hu** » Wed, 12 Jun 1996 04:00:00

>I have a P5 66mhz. Is it possible for me to overclock it? Would you need any extra
>info to tell if I could overclock it? Please reply and I'll tell you what you want me
>to about the motherboard.
> Robert Knauber

Check out the June issue of Sim Racing News. There's an article on
overclocking CPUs. The address is :-

http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/index.htm

Ted.

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