I will not buy a wheel from TSW. So I would anyone that has a wheel
besides a thrustmaster, give me some feed back on what they have, it would
be greatly apprieciated. Money is NO object, well maybe a little. I want a
good quality built to last wheel.
Sean Higgins
--
http://www.racesimcentral.net/~higgy/
If money is no object, the number one driving controls are the Extreme
Competition Controls:
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/extreme/
or try the Hyperstimulator if you have won the Lottery:
http://connexus.apana.org.au/~natpro/hyper/
A great review/survey of all major steering controllers can be found
at Sim Racing News - July 1996:
http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/96jul/whl-surv.htm
Sim Racing News - Aug 1996 Issue:
http://sneezy.dcn.ed.ac.uk/simnews/96aug/whl-surv.htm
Also, I have been a happy TSW owner for over two years. I think I
received one of the second batch ever produced. It has been a great
product, and was especially worth it since two years ago it was a lot
less expensive. Sorry to hear you have had such bad luck. It sounds
like they have just been unable to keep up with demand.
Good Luck.
Don Chapman
SCREW TSW! You can't go wrong with an ECCI. The CDS2 is ten times
better, and you get it when they say. Great customer service and a
great product, don't hesitate. This is not an endor***t :), I don't
work for them! Trevor Thomas(TSW) was here a month ago bashing ECCI,
and now when customers are complaining about HIS products, he is
nowhere to be found. He really pissed me off then, and now I'll get a
dig in whenever I can. Like they say..."Make one customer happy, and
they will tell maybe one person,***one customer off, and they will
tell EVERYONE!"
Are you the same idiot that compared the quality of the ECCI and the
TSW, without ever using the TSW not too long ago? If so, you
obviously didn't learn anything from it.
No, I believe he was bashing the idiot that was comparing the
two without a shred of credibility to his post....probably was
you.
Yeh, I believe it.....cockroaches always scamble for the scraps
left by others. Careful though....the light will come on soon and
send you running for cover.
Shawn Wise
Midwest Motorsports
ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii
> >SCREW TSW! You can't go wrong with an ECCI. The CDS2 is ten times
> >better, and you get it when they say.
> Are you the same idiot that compared the quality of the ECCI and the
> TSW, without ever using the TSW not too long ago? If so, you
> obviously didn't learn anything from it.
> >Trevor Thomas(TSW) was here a month ago bashing ECCI
> No, I believe he was bashing the idiot that was comparing the
> two without a shred of credibility to his post....probably was
> you.
> >He really pissed me off then, and now I'll get a dig in whenever I
> >can.
> Yeh, I believe it.....cockroaches always scamble for the scraps
> left by others. Careful though....the light will come on soon and
> send you running for cover.
> Shawn Wise
> Midwest Motorsports
> ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii
You can find all wheels + user's experiences!
Greetz,
Frits
Sorry to hear that. Trevor does an excellent job of supporting his
customers, and the TSW is a fine product. My one complaint about Trevor is
that he has a bad habit of bashing other products, and he knows this,
because I've told him flat out.
I just upgraded my TSW to the new F1-style wheel. The new steering pot is
silky smooth and is supposed to last forever. The paddle shifters are ideal
for road and street circuits where you're constantly going up and down the
gears. The overall design seems much more reliable with the elimination of
the toggle switch in the console shifter and the push buttons on the wheel.
I've never used the ECCI, but I've heard good things about it, particularly
the new $1200 version, but I can't possibly justify spending that kind of
money on a wheel.
Dave Sparks
IWCCCARS Project: http://www.theuspits.com/iwcccars
Late Night League: http://www.sequoia-dev.com/Hawaii/latenite.html
Hawaii Handle: davids
>>SCREW TSW! You can't go wrong with an ECCI. The CDS2 is ten times
>>better, and you get it when they say.
>Are you the same idiot that compared the quality of the ECCI and the
>TSW, without ever using the TSW not too long ago? If so, you
>obviously didn't learn anything from it.
Again, get your facts straight first.
Uhh, whatever. I would say you are the loser here. I am sure you
have a TSW, and you probably have never touched an ECCI. How about
doing us all a favor, and keep to yourself.
Check your email
Shawn Wise
Midwest Motorsports
ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii
I own a retail computer business and have personally used the T-1,
T-2, TSW and the ECCI. I own the ECCI. The main difference inthe TSW
and the ECCI is as follows:
1: The TSW has a seperate stick shifter, The ECCI has buttons on the
wheel. Personal preference directs your chioce. The ECCI seems more
suited to Road course stuff and the TSW to regular hit and shift type.
2: The TSW is 270 degrees of steering throw, The ECCI is 180 degrees
This means that the ECCI is slightly more sensitive but adjusting the
steering lock makes this a mute point.
3. The TSW uses a clamp to LOCK it down onto your desk, the ECCI is
desgned such that one is not needed. If you need to move your wheel
often this could be important.
4 The ECCI has a beautiful steering wheel, Polished aluminium case,
swede leather wrapped wheel and looks tough. Small point but thats
what we're doing here!!
5 The tension of the steering wheel on the ECCI is very light and
smooth. I can turn the wheel from lock to lock with my finger RESTING
on top of the wheel. The TSW has a heavier feel and not easy to turn.
6 The ECCI has a REVERSE button as well as the shifter buttons, the
TSW has only 2 buttons on the wheel. ( the new GP1 style TSW is now
different so keep this in mind.
7 The ECCI has the ability to seperate the gas and brake and put them
on seperate axis which is very useful in sim games such as GP2 and
situations where one will use the gas and brale simutinously.
8 The TSW cost less around $300 the ECCI costs more close to $600
Keep in mind that the differnet models are changing rapidly and this
comparison may be out of date as we speak.
MY OPINION: If you have the extra money buy the ECCI. If cost is a
factor, buy the TSW as it is also a fine product. Both have excellant
support as far a have been concerned. I hope this has helped!
Jim Deane JDeane on hawaii
IVGA GOLD Series Racer
Nascar Invitational Series Racer
Director of SNARL League ( an ACE setup leaque )
Computer Corner Service( We build Premium Custom Systems)
Webpage: http://www.mindspring.com/~jdeane
Sounds like you haven't used the latest version of either wheel. I
will help you out with some added comments.
All the new ECCI models have adjustable wheel tension. You can go
from 42lb to 118lb in about 2 minutes. Five different combinations
are possible.
Four buttons on the ECCI to do whatever you want with them. I use two
for shifting, one for reverse, and the other I turned into a makeshift
pit speed limiter.
Jim,
This is a good post. It sounds like Higgy got a raw deal, but I'm sure TSW
supports their product well. I also own an ECCI CDS and could not be
happier with it. I have had it for over a year now and it drives exactly
the same as the day I dusted off the styrafoam peanuts and plugged it in,
and outside of work(and golf!), I don't do much else but practice for
leagues and modem races. I have probably averaged 14-16 hours per week
practicing since I got my ECC(June 96). I have used it for GP2, Nascar1 &
2, and ICR2. I also know that my friend and teammate Shawn Wise has tried
both wheels and prefers the TSW. If price is a big concern, I would concur
that the TSW is the better choice. It is hard justifying the cost of a
$549 wheel and pedal set, but the ECC is a fantastic product built like a
brick outhouse, and you won't regret getting it. Either way it sounds like
the real winner is the buyer!
Brian Anderson
Midwest Motorsports
ProHCS3 Racer
> > >SCREW TSW! You can't go wrong with an ECCI. The CDS2 is ten times
> > >better, and you get it when they say.
> > Are you the same idiot that compared the quality of the ECCI and the
> > TSW, without ever using the TSW not too long ago? If so, you
> > obviously didn't learn anything from it.
> > >Trevor Thomas(TSW) was here a month ago bashing ECCI
> > No, I believe he was bashing the idiot that was comparing the
> > two without a shred of credibility to his post....probably was
> > you.
> > >He really pissed me off then, and now I'll get a dig in whenever I
> > >can.
> > Yeh, I believe it.....cockroaches always scamble for the scraps
> > left by others. Careful though....the light will come on soon and
> > send you running for cover.
> > Shawn Wise
> > Midwest Motorsports
> > ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii
> seriously the TSW is a great wheel\pedal unit. Shawn was the guy who I
> knew that had one and was kickin my ass week in and week out on hawaii.
> When I finally got sick of the t2 breaking I mentiond to Shawn I was
> thinking about the TSW. Shawn said I wouldnt be dissapointed and Im
> not. It was well worth the 290 bucks. Infact I plan on ordering a
> second one for the house so I can hook up to the old computer for
> friends to use when they come over...Theres a reason why there getting
> them out late. They got so many orders because they have a great
> product!!!!
> --
> --------------------------------------------------------
> Brian Motisko
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> --------------------------------------------------------
Thanks a lot for the support you and others are showing for me and the
TSW, it is much apreciated!
You are right, Wise was the *** who flamed the TSW without reason or
ever using one, I emailed him and was polite until he gave me a ration
of shit for no good reason. I purposely emailed him so as not to have it
public in order to see if it could be worked out, obviously this
***head had no intention of keeping his mouth shut in public. I dont
normally participate in flame wars because it is stupid and pointless
but this time I am going to because I'm tired of the bullshit.
There is absolutely no reason to compare the TSW with the CDS, they are
two different products with completely different philosophies behind
them, the CDS is for those with a lot of money and the TSW is for people
who want a good solid product for less, either one will do the job it is
made for but neither is "better" than the other. I doubt that many races
are won because a wheel looks good and I dont spend a lot of time
admiring the looks of my TSW while using it.
There are close to 2000 happy individuals with TSWs and we get 2/4
orders everyday, so we must be doing something right :)!
Trev
> > > >SCREW TSW! You can't go wrong with an ECCI. The CDS2 is ten times
> > > >better, and you get it when they say.
> > > Are you the same idiot that compared the quality of the ECCI and the
> > > TSW, without ever using the TSW not too long ago? If so, you
> > > obviously didn't learn anything from it.
> > > >Trevor Thomas(TSW) was here a month ago bashing ECCI
> > > No, I believe he was bashing the idiot that was comparing the
> > > two without a shred of credibility to his post....probably was
> > > you.
> > > >He really pissed me off then, and now I'll get a dig in whenever I
> > > >can.
> > > Yeh, I believe it.....cockroaches always scamble for the scraps
> > > left by others. Careful though....the light will come on soon and
> > > send you running for cover.
> > > Shawn Wise
> > > Midwest Motorsports
> > > ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii
> > seriously the TSW is a great wheel\pedal unit. Shawn was the guy who I
> > knew that had one and was kickin my ass week in and week out on hawaii.
> > When I finally got sick of the t2 breaking I mentiond to Shawn I was
> > thinking about the TSW. Shawn said I wouldnt be dissapointed and Im
> > not. It was well worth the 290 bucks. Infact I plan on ordering a
> > second one for the house so I can hook up to the old computer for
> > friends to use when they come over...Theres a reason why there getting
> > them out late. They got so many orders because they have a great
> > product!!!!
> > --
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> > Brian Motisko
> > http://www.racesimcentral.net/
> > --------------------------------------------------------
> Brian
> Thanks a lot for the support you and others are showing for me and the
> TSW, it is much apreciated!
> You are right, Wise was the *** who flamed the TSW without reason or
> ever using one, I emailed him and was polite until he gave me a ration
> of shit for no good reason. I purposely emailed him so as not to have it
> public in order to see if it could be worked out, obviously this
>***head had no intention of keeping his mouth shut in public. I dont
> normally participate in flame wars because it is stupid and pointless
> but this time I am going to because I'm tired of the bullshit.
> There is absolutely no reason to compare the TSW with the CDS, they are
> two different products with completely different philosophies behind
> them, the CDS is for those with a lot of money and the TSW is for people
> who want a good solid product for less, either one will do the job it is
> made for but neither is "better" than the other. I doubt that many races
> are won because a wheel looks good and I dont spend a lot of time
> admiring the looks of my TSW while using it.
> There are close to 2000 happy individuals with TSWs and we get 2/4
> orders everyday, so we must be doing something right :)!
> Trev
Jay Taylor
>> > >SCREW TSW! You can't go wrong with an ECCI. The CDS2 is ten times
>> > >better, and you get it when they say.
>> > Are you the same idiot that compared the quality of the ECCI and the
>> > TSW, without ever using the TSW not too long ago? If so, you
>> > obviously didn't learn anything from it.
>> > >Trevor Thomas(TSW) was here a month ago bashing ECCI
>> > No, I believe he was bashing the idiot that was comparing the
>> > two without a shred of credibility to his post....probably was
>> > you.
>> > >He really pissed me off then, and now I'll get a dig in whenever I
>> > >can.
>> > Yeh, I believe it.....cockroaches always scamble for the scraps
>> > left by others. Careful though....the light will come on soon and
>> > send you running for cover.
>> > Shawn Wise
>> > Midwest Motorsports
>> > ProHCS3 & HGNS3 on Hawaii
>> seriously the TSW is a great wheel\pedal unit. Shawn was the guy who I
>> knew that had one and was kickin my ass week in and week out on hawaii.
>> When I finally got sick of the t2 breaking I mentiond to Shawn I was
>> thinking about the TSW. Shawn said I wouldnt be dissapointed and Im
>> not. It was well worth the 290 bucks. Infact I plan on ordering a
>> second one for the house so I can hook up to the old computer for
>> friends to use when they come over...Theres a reason why there getting
>> them out late. They got so many orders because they have a great
>> product!!!!
>> --
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> Brian Motisko
>> http://www.racesimcentral.net/
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>Brian
>Thanks a lot for the support you and others are showing for me and the
>TSW, it is much apreciated!
>You are right, Wise was the *** who flamed the TSW without reason or
>ever using one, I emailed him and was polite until he gave me a ration
>of shit for no good reason. I purposely emailed him so as not to have it
>public in order to see if it could be worked out, obviously this
>dickhead had no intention of keeping his mouth shut in public. I dont
>normally participate in flame wars because it is stupid and pointless
>but this time I am going to because I'm tired of the bullshit.
>There is absolutely no reason to compare the TSW with the CDS, they are
>two different products with completely different philosophies behind
>them, the CDS is for those with a lot of money and the TSW is for people
>who want a good solid product for less, either one will do the job it is
>made for but neither is "better" than the other. I doubt that many races
>are won because a wheel looks good and I dont spend a lot of time
>admiring the looks of my TSW while using it.
>There are close to 2000 happy individuals with TSWs and we get 2/4
>orders everyday, so we must be doing something right :)!
>Trev
