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Karl,

About the only thing you got right is the fact that here in the US we
can say or write almost anything we feel, where you are dead wrong is
the reason for the controversy starting.

If you would go back using deja news to the origional post, you would
find out that it was a bashing of the TSW by a person who owned an ECCI
and had never used a TSW. He stated that the ECCI had better fit,
quality and looks than a TSW and I dont give a damn what you think, this
is BASHING our product.

As to that same post, the statement that began the controversy is
completly untrue, the TSW is as good in any of these areas as any other
product and I'll put it up against any of them, anytime anywhere.

Trev

http://soli.inav.net/~thomas

We will be moving to our own domain soon but for now the above URL will
still get you to our website.

Trev

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Palmetto Racing
Dburn on Ten

Were do you see bashing Trevor, all I see is one mans opinion and what I perciece as the truth. The only bashing I see is what you call a response. You really should take some courses in Business Administration, because everytime you open your mouth you lose customers.

Mike Grandy - proud member of

Precision Team Motorsports

non-TSW, they get "***ed" by a horde of TSW thugs?<<<

Oh I see...anyone that owns a TSW and makes a comment is a thug. OK you THUGS, now ya'll stop this right now and I MEAN IT.

No and you do not as well.

It's as much TSW's street as yours or anyone else.

Agreed

flame messages.<<<

Again..agreed so why did you post another Flame message?

Terrorize? whow..pretty strong statment coming from someone who is tired of these bashing threads..don't you think?.

Now here's the original message that got this started...
Quote:
I have one. It is the best. After breaking 3 TM-T2.  This wheel can take the
punishment.  Works great on all racing sims.  Excellent on Screamer2.  Try
S2 on a plastic wheel and you will know what I'm talking about.

better fit ,finish, and quality than TSW

Fred

End Quote:

Now Trevor's response..
Quote:
I would like to know what you base the above statement of "fact" on?
Just because you spent far too much money on something which gives no
better value per dollar spent than any TSW or TSW2 model does not make
it a better product, in future it would be better if you include an
"IMO" in your statements of comparison.

End Quote:

Now Fred made a statment and mentioned ****nothing**** about owning or even ever seeing a TSW and compared he's ECCI-CDS2 to it. That is a BS statment and you know it. All Trevor ask was to put a IMO in any further statments he may make in the future and rightfully so. I've seen all kinds of product bashing here and what some of you don't get is the fact that Trevor is one of these product owners who just happens to be a part of this group and he cares enough help out when needed, but also takes a stand when wrong and false accusations are made against his company. Nothing wrong with someone voicing their opinion about how great their wheel is, but by-god be fair about it and voice it on a **fact** comparison and not some product you don't even own or have used.

Hell yes I'm a TSW owner..so stick that in your Joystock Port and Drive It. :>)

Note: FLAME SUIT is on......

Now YOU are WAY off base, I never accused you of anything.

Trev

In the first place the TSW is every bit as good a quality as any other
unit on the market.

In the second, bashing is unsubstantiated statement of fact without any
proof offered, just as you are doing.

Trev

Trev

Trev

Thanks a lot for your support :) more and more of these clowns keep
posting with absolutely no idea what the whole thing was about. Its good
to see someone actually have the decency to post the origional and then
make such a well rounded counterattack based on it.

Actually this is getting to be kind of fun :)!

Trev

I still don't see your point Trevor, he stated his opinion and that was it. I also don't see where I'm bashing, only giving you some sound advice. With every post you lose more potential customers. You really should learn some seld constraint.

Mike Grandy - proud member of

Precision Team Motorsports

  >
  > >He stated that the ECCI had better fit,
  > >quality and looks than a TSW and I dont give a damn what you think,
  > this
  > >is BASHING our product.
  >
  > Were do you see bashing Trevor, all I see is one mans opinion and what
  > I perciece as the truth. The only bashing I see is what you call a
  > response. You really should take some courses in Business
  > Administration, because everytime you open your mouth you lose
  > customers.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Mike Grandy - proud member of
  >
  > Precision Team Motorsports
  >
  >

  Mike,

  In the first place the TSW is every bit as good a quality as any other
  unit on the market.

  In the second, bashing is unsubstantiated statement of fact without any
  proof offered, just as you are doing.

  Trev

2.)Sorry if you didn't understand my statement on bashing.
"As for bashing other companies, no that isn't right."= bashing is not a
good thing.
You might also notice I never said you bashed anything nor did I give
product names of
wheels that I had problems with.

Again, I am sorry for any confusion on my opinion. Bashing anything is
wrong. Sticking
up for someone or something you believe in is every humans right. It's to
bad some
people resort to bashing others when they could just nicely state their
thoughts. I don't
post anything that I wouldn't say to someone in person. If others could do
the same, things
around here could be alot smoother. The problem with conversation over the
internet is
we are all deprived of alot of communication traits that we get to use in a
face to face
conversation. Things like tone of voice, *** expressions, and body
langauge aren't
available and many times we aren't understood or even worse the whole post
or sentence
is took completely wrong.
    Heck, if you ask me your a lucky guy. I would love the chance to test
hardware or beta test
race sims and race games. I would donate body parts to be able to help with
the testing of
Nascar2000(N3), but realisticly know I will probably never get a shot at
testing anything.
Just try and ignore the bashing and enjoy all the different IMHO's that are
out there.

Later,
Mike Mellendorf

P.S. Everything above is just my opinion and if anybody dissagrees thats
perfectly
fine. Thats what helps the world go around and what freedom is about.

You are a piece of work Trevor, you just got done saying you weren't bashing anyone then you call everyone that posts something a clown. I think everyone is pretty aware of the differences between wheels and most of these so called clowns are pretty knowledgable of the different products. You really need to take my advice on the business courses.

Mike Grandy - proud member of

Precision Team Motorsports

  >
  > >>>Why is it every time someone talks about hardware that is
  > non-TSW, they get "***ed" by a horde of TSW thugs?<<<
  >
  > Oh I see...anyone that owns a TSW and makes a comment is a thug. OK
  > you THUGS, now ya'll stop this right now and I MEAN IT.
  >
  > >>>Does TSW own this newsgroup?<<<
  >
  > No and you do not as well.
  >

  <Snippage>

  Thanks a lot for your support :) more and more of these clowns keep
  posting with absolutely no idea what the whole thing was about. Its good
  to see someone actually have the decency to post the origional and then
  make such a well rounded counterattack based on it.

  Actually this is getting to be kind of fun :)!

  Trev

Hehe, I own a TSW, but I'm no thug, just ask Mike Grandy <G>, or then
again, don't! haha!

Yes, that's pretty much it. I dont post in this newsgroup a lot simply
because of all the arguing that go on, but in this case, the case is
simply as you put it. You can't make a comparison statement about another
product without having ever "used" or "seen" that product. Fred may have
left out the fact that he has used one or seen one from his post though.
So a lot of this arguing could be for nothing <g>. It's just his opinion,
nothing more, nothing less, and opinions should always be taken with a
grain of salt, or lime, or tequila haha.

Exactly, I dont think anyone would argue that point at all. The arguing
is simply over the perception of being "dissed-on" without factual
information. Happens all the time though. Trevor has always been a stand-
up and speak-loud kind of guy. He has too though, its HIS product and
company. Trevor is co-owner of one of the largest wheel suppliers to the
online racing community, and he takes his role in this community very
serious, as I would too.

I'm glad to see that he's as involved as he is, that's part of the reason
why I like Thomas Enterprises products.

bill
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