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Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

Mark Jeangerar

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Mark Jeangerar » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00


Do you have some sort of vendetta against your ears? C'mon, tell the group.
Maybe talking about it will help...  :-)

--
Mark Jeangerard
www.soundchaserweb.com
New Mexico, USA

ELVIS200

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by ELVIS200 » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

They push them at Circuit City - so many people think CVs are great
speakers.

On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:31:12 -0600, "Mark Jeangerard"




>> Cerwin Vega comes to mind..

>Do you have some sort of vendetta against your ears? C'mon, tell the group.
>Maybe talking about it will help...  :-)

Martyn Danb

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Martyn Danb » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Well... actually I don't get to run the bigguns as much as i'd like, but
if i didn't have others livin here i most certainly would +)

Md




> > Cerwin Vega comes to mind..

> Do you have some sort of vendetta against your ears? C'mon, tell the group.
> Maybe talking about it will help...  :-)

> --
> Mark Jeangerard
> www.soundchaserweb.com
> New Mexico, USA

Martyn Danb

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Martyn Danb » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00

Hmm well I bought mine used along time ago, i can't vouch for the
quality of the product these days.

Md


> They push them at Circuit City - so many people think CVs are great
> speakers.

> On Thu, 27 Apr 2000 13:31:12 -0600, "Mark Jeangerard"



> >> Cerwin Vega comes to mind..

> >Do you have some sort of vendetta against your ears? C'mon, tell the group.
> >Maybe talking about it will help...  :-)

Slas

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Slas » Fri, 28 Apr 2000 04:00:00


scribbled:

Indeed.
Although I'm still wondering what it is, specifically, about computer
setups that you find so grating (excuse the unintended pun). I'm aware
that when it all comes down to it, discrete components rule the roost,
but I can hardly envision a properly set up computer/amp system
damaging any speakers from excessive clipping. Clipping, from what I
understand, usually results from a signal imbalance (improper
line-level voltage matching, etc.), so it would seem that to be
experiencing such obvious clipping, you would have to have done
something such as set the SB Live's equalizer way out of whack, which
would then naturally***everything up when passed through the
amplifier.

Anyways, I'm open to intelligent discussion about the detriments of
using a PC as an audio source.

-Slash

"The people on the internet know more about what I am doing than I do.
 Like, they will say that I am going to be in this mall on this day and sure
 enough I am there."
 - Tori Amos, Dew Drop Inn Tour, 17-June-1996

Thomas Kellenstin

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Thomas Kellenstin » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

i have found that with my current system
that SB live platinum and Klipsch pro-media 400 speakers
in a 12x12 room
conveys a certain ambiance that can be felt as well as heard
20 cars on a starting grid is somewhere in the neighborhood of AWESOME
:)



> % Very nice looking bit of gear, and from the specs and your
recommendation I
> % don't doubt they would sound pretty good. It's about ***y time they
stopped
> % selling us the Mickey Mouse ***that has been computer audio. I'd love
to find
> % a clean version of that THX sound bite on the Klipsch site to use as my
> % computer start up sound. Anyone know where to find it ?

> There are various "compressed" versions I found using
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> However, the one I have is a 2 meg wav file...

> You can find an mp3 version at
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/

> You can find uncompressed wav verions at
> http://www.racesimcentral.net/~jsbehr/WAVS_VIDS/Movies/BeforeTheMovie/THX/

> --
> **************************** Michael E. Carver *************************
>      Upside out, or inside down...False alarm the only game in town.

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ELVIS200

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by ELVIS200 » Sat, 29 Apr 2000 04:00:00

If you were to set your EQ improperly on a SB Live, you wouldn't want
to do it into a pair of good speakers - that's for sure.  A decent amp
/ receiver setup won't clip as easily, and is more forgiving.  My
receiver has a "soft clipping" feature - which is nice since the amp
is relatively low power (40 watt NAD).

However - I wasn't speaking of clipping - I was speaking of signal
quality.  Speakers love a CLEAN signal.... less work on the cones --
less movement.  An SB Live still produces dirty sound, compared to say
- a good or ever half decent amp/receiver.  Not such a factor on a
small set of desktop speakers, with their little 3" drivers, they can
take the dirty signal (and most likely, can't even reproduce the real
*** stuff in the lower and higher frequencies).  I just think you
guys are nuts -- unless you like replacing your audio components
frequently.  I've had the same set of Polk 7Cs for 10 years --- won't
replace them for another 10, probably.  



Joseph Huesma

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Joseph Huesma » Sun, 30 Apr 2000 04:00:00


>frequently.  I've had the same set of Polk 7Cs for 10 years --- won't
>replace them for another 10, probably.  

If the material holding your cones in place lasts that long...
Ian

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Ian » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Hello, You are comparing an amplifier to a sound-card. Surely a more
appropriate comparison would be to compare a sound-card to a CD deck or
other source material. The sound-card is of course an audio source (or maybe
pre-amp) rather than an amplifier.

A good quality sound-card (i.e.. soundblaster live) feeding into a good
quality amplifier and played through high quality speakers will by far
outperform a good (amplified) PC speaker set. Most people will find it more
than satisfactory, however it will not be up to the standards of an
audiophile.

I use a set of Cambridge FPS 1000 speakers on my PC along with a
Soundblaster Live 1024, this is in a small room and sounds fine for my
requirements of a PC game, I wouldn't use them for playing music though, at
least not seriously.

If I want to listen to music or watch movies I do so on my AV system (TEAC
Dolby Digital receiver, DVD player etc.) I'm not prepared to pay the extra
for the absolute best AV equipment as in most instances what I have more
than satisfies my requirements. I like listening to good quality music, but
at the same time I am not too concerned about slight nuances that are added
by the equipment.

--
Ian Parker

==

ELVIS200

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by ELVIS200 » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Its mostly *** - and appears to be in good shape.



ELVIS200

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by ELVIS200 » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Not really - I'm comparing pre-amps.



ELVIS200

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by ELVIS200 » Mon, 01 May 2000 04:00:00

Yes - definitely.  However - my entire point is that it is not *good*
for the speakers.  That's all.  



Jari Jokine

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Jari Jokine » Tue, 02 May 2000 04:00:00

Perhaps a loud signal with heavy DC offset or wild transients can damage
speakers, but I think this has more to do with the first link in the chain -
the data the game is sending, than with the soundcard. I don't think cheap
soundcards are THAT bad.

Jari Jokinen


>Yes - definitely.  However - my entire point is that it is not *good*
>for the speakers.  That's all.



>>A good quality sound-card (i.e.. soundblaster live) feeding into a good
>>quality amplifier and played through high quality speakers will by far
>>outperform a good (amplified) PC speaker set.

Ian

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Ian » Tue, 02 May 2000 04:00:00

I disagree with that, unless the amplifier is clipping the signal or you are
overdriving the speakers, feeding a dirty signal into speakers will not
damage them. Speakers hate Direct Current which is what clipping the signal
does. They also hate hitting the travel limit of the voice coil. No other
signal will cause them damage other than maybe wearing a bit faster.

--
Ian Parker
==

> Yes - definitely.  However - my entire point is that it is not *good*
> for the speakers.  That's all.



> >A good quality sound-card (i.e.. soundblaster live) feeding into a good
> >quality amplifier and played through high quality speakers will by far
> >outperform a good (amplified) PC speaker set.

Ian

Speaker Opinions....Which kind to Buy??

by Ian » Tue, 02 May 2000 04:00:00

Not really, a sound-card is both a source and pre-amp.

I did mention that it could also be classed as a pre-amp in my original post
though.

--
Ian Parker
==


> Not really - I'm comparing pre-amps.



> > You are comparing an amplifier to a sound-card.


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